r/whowouldwin • u/Joseph_Stalin_ • Dec 20 '17
Special [Death Battle]Sephiroth vs Vergil
Vergil Respect Thread by me
Sephiroth Respect Thread by /u/ShadowSphere
Round 1: Regular Versions
Round 2: Nelo Angelo vs Whatever Peak Sephiroth is.
As per rules of Death Battle, they're both going for the kill
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u/KevinLee487 Dec 22 '17 edited Dec 22 '17
IIRC, that scene is in the DMC3 Manga which is 100% canon
Capcom themselves said this multiple times when they were covering him for DMC4SE.
Vergil's appearance in DMC4 takes place prior to DMC3, so they're fair game. Vergil's Super Judgement Cut is present in DMC3 and Marvel vs Capcom 3 as well. The big difference is that the DMC4 version and the MvC3 versions are just much faster. Likely for gameplay purposes as sitting there for 10 seconds waiting to move again would be really annoying during gameplay.
Its notable because while Dante weakened him, Dante got flattened into the floor in the process. Vergil effortlessly 1 shots him. Its clear that there is a decent gap in power between the two.
He mopped the floor with Dante in more than 1 instance, he tied once while putting himself at a major disadvantage and finally lost when the plot called for it. I mean what do you expect? Dante is the main character and DMC3 is a prequel. Dante getting Force Edge was a predetermined outcome as was Vergil becoming Nelo Angelo. There really was no way to have Vergil win that fight and still have DMC1 make any kind of sense.
We just had this discussion yesterday. I don't think theres any need to repeat ourselves because we clearly aren't going to come to an agreement. I consider it canon.
Except for the canon part, I agree with you here. That whole calc was one massive assumption on top of the other. I don't think Vergil is anywhere near that strong, but I don't think Sephiroth is either. However I'd give the edge in pure strength to Sephiroth.
Dante's base form doesn't get any stronger from DMC3 to 4. Theres literally no solid evidence to support it. Hell theres barely any evidence to suggest that his Devil Trigger gets stronger either. Its logical that he would get stronger as time goes on, but he doesn't. He gets far more experienced and comfortable with his powers, but he isn't stronger than he was in DMC3. Nero was able to break his guard and punch the shit out of him.
If you look at feats alone, Dante is not even equal to Vergil so lets hit the brakes on that one.
For whatever reason when this topic gets brought up, everyone disregards it and assumes that if it was true, Yamato would always cut through dimensions. Its clear that the wielder has control over weather or not that is going to happen for that particular swing. Look at Nero and Dante's fight in Mission 10 of DMC4. Nero sends out a energy wave with 1 swing and performs several normal swings. Dante cuts the Hell-gate in half and swings the sword around a couple more times after without it doing anything extra. Vergil uses it to cut Arkham's hand off from a couple dozen feet away at least. The only thing we know for 100% certainty that Yamato cannot cut through is Rebellion for whatever reason.
Though for the sake of the fight, its better that it didn't just cut Masamune in half.
Its also worth noting that Vergil clearly was only using a fraction of his strength when he swung at Lady. Even if Yamato wasn't capable of cutting Kalina Ann, his sheer strength would have meant that it was going to cave her face in from the pressure of trying to block his attack. The logical explination was that he was intentionally toying with her since he knew who she was and he wanted to taunt her.
I also have to say that they straight up lied about Vergil's regen being able to be worn down. That has never been hinted at in *any DMC game. Even when he was exhausted, his healing worked just as well as it did when he was in tip top shape. He literally fell to his knees from exhaustion in Mission 20 and Dante still couldn't even leave a wound on him, let alone cut him in half.
Vergil had this in the bag but DB downplayed him HARD. Sephiroth is one of my favorite characters so I'm pretty familiar with him and he really had no chance. Hes not anywhere near as fast even if you discount the raindrop feat, Sephiroth can't travel anywhere near as quickly as Vergil can. Them claiming he could move at supersonic speeds is straight up bullshit. Sephiroth cannot teleport either which they didn't even say he could, yet he was teleporting during the fight?? Riiiight....
Theres also the bit where Sephiroth isn't even phased from being diced up by Vergil, which wouldn't have happened. He can heal himself, but it still hurts when he gets hit. Vergil would never allow him to get a healing spell (or any spell for that matter) off before being hit again. And again. And again.
This fight was entertaining, but straight up wrong on a lot of their claims and Vergil didn't act in-character at all. They made him look like a fucking idiot.