r/whowouldwin • u/He-Man69 ​ • Jul 21 '18

Special Clash Of Titans Tournament.

Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls, its time for the Greatest tourney that has ever had the privileged to be submitted on Who Would Win. Lets get into the specifics

Tier Setter

This tournament will be a little different from most held on this site. Any participant can submit either:

3 entrees that can achieve a Unlikely Victory - Likely Victory against bloodlusted Iron Fist (each entrant should be able to 1v1 iron fist)

OR

1 entree that can achieve a Unlikely Victory - Likely Victory against bloodlusted Luke Cage

Both of these combatants will be using Tournament Specific RTs that will be provided, the goal being to use a high-end version of these characters that leave as little interpretation to entrants as possible.

If you do not see a feat for a stat or category that you have a question about, please leave a question for the judges to respond to. If you have a specific feat from the RT, please ask a judge.

Here are the Tournament specific RTs

Specifics

Each participant can submit a team of 3 Iron Fist Tier Characters AND/OR 1 Luke Cage Tier Character. You can choose to submit only 1 of these options, so submitting only 1 Luke Cage, or submit characters fitting both descriptions. How this works is that you private message a judge before the round starts telling them whether you want to use your 3 Iron Fists or your 1 Luke Cage in the upcoming round, and then that will be kept secret until the round goes up. If you do not message a judge before the round goes up, then it will be decided for you by coin flip.

How to Sign up

All you need to do to sign up is simply comment which character/characters you will be using. Once you have your characters thats it, you've officially signed up. As a side note you cannot choose a character that has already been chosen. This includes the same character from different arcs. First come First served.

Battle rules

Speed will be equalized to a base of 257 meters per second (mach .75). However speed boosts by character abilities are allowed. Projectiles are relative in speed to the character

Arena: Its the most densely populated city in North America, it's where Frank Sinatra wants to go, You know it as the Big apple. Its New York City. Characters start 514 meters apart. Your characters know that they have to defeat thier opponent to leave the city. The only way your characters can defeat there opponents is by Killing or Incapacitating them BFR is not an option.

For the purpose of this Tournament assume there are no other people in NYC.

Submission Specifics

Each participant will either chose a team of 3 people that each achieve unlikely-likely victory over a Bloodlusted Iron Fist, and 1 Character than can achieve unlikely-likely victory over a Bloodlusted Luke Cage.

No matter what option you pick, you must submit 1 back up character for each the Iron fist tier and the Luke cage Tier

Directly altering stats is a no go. On the other hand, using a character from an earlier story arc where they're weaker or adding / removing equipment they are shown to use are good

All submitted characters must have a Respect Thread. This is not up for debate; they must have a faithful RT that does not misinterpret the character willfully or leave out important information on said character.

Debate Rules

Rounds will last 4-5 days

due to the nature of this tourney the match ups might be varied between a mix of 1v1's and 3v3's so for each of these The reply limit and the number of coments will be different

If either you or your opponent is using a Luke cage tier Character, then you both are limited to 2 comments of 10k characters, and have 3 main responses. If both participants are using the 3 Iron fist tier character then you are both limited to 3 comments of 10k characters, and have 3 main responses.

Victory Conditions

Winning a match will be determined by a council of judges including my self there is also u/epizestro and u/wolfpaladin.

Judges won't judge on their preconceived notions of how strong the characters are but rather on how well you argue them to win

With that out of the way, Happy debating and may the odds be ever in your favour.

Sign ups end at Mighting EST July 26th.

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u/Coconut-Crab ​ Jul 22 '18 edited Jul 26 '18

Luke Cage tier:

Backup: Metal Bat

Stipulation: Terry is standard size but his giant strength feats apply

Iron Fist Boys:

Backup: Multiple Man

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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '18

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '18

No

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u/xWolfpaladin ​ Jul 25 '18

like you

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u/xWolfpaladin ​ Jul 25 '18

You'll need to supply a backup before midnight tomorrow, the 26th, for your Luke Cage and Iron Fist pick.

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u/Ame-no-nobuko Jul 26 '18

Weny Marvell can amp her team mates to way out of tier. She was banned from the last Great Debate for that reason. I don't think she'll fly in this tourney.

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u/Coconut-Crab ​ Jul 26 '18
  1. Her amps aren’t that good. They’re only simple things like strength speed and armour.
  2. She can’t spam her amps too often because of mana restrictions
  3. She does instantly to literally any in tier attack.
  4. Her damage output is at the bottom end of this tour
  5. Team fights don’t really matter for being in tier, unless it’s something like Amazo where he by definition wins all team fights.

Great Debate is a different tourney with different standards. Using it as evidence for this tourney is silly.

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u/Ame-no-nobuko Jul 26 '18

Her amps aren’t that good. They’re only simple things like strength speed and armour.

Speed is probably one of the most important, if not the most important consideration in a fight (especially when everyone else is speed equalized) and strength is also one of the most important factors. Also the RT is vague, but even if its only a 2x amp, unless you are running particularly weak/low end characters it would boost them to be notably out of tier.

She can’t spam her amps too often because of mana restrictions

Okay?

She does instantly to literally any in tier attack.

So then she is out of tier as she's too weak to beat Iron Fist

Her damage output is at the bottom end of this tour

So she's definetly out of tier as she's too weak to beat Iron Fist

Team fights don’t really matter for being in tier, unless it’s something like Amazo where he by definition wins all team fights.

Yes they do.

Great Debate is a different tourney with different standards. Using it as evidence for this tourney is silly.

The reason she was called out in that tourney was that she boosted people OOT for a mountain busting tourney. If she can do that for that level, she can definetly do similar for this level.

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u/Coconut-Crab ​ Jul 26 '18 edited Jul 26 '18

unless you are running particularly weak/low end characters it would boost them to be notably out of tier.

Wouldn’t you know it that’s exactly what I’m doing. Multiple Man and Vader are pretty mediocre let’s be real.

So then she is out of tier as she's too weak to beat Iron Fist

Being a glass cannon doesn’t mean that you’re out of tier. Look at nightcrawler, for instance.

So she's definetly out of tier as she's too weak to beat Iron Fist

Notice how I said “bottom end”. Being at the bottom of something is still in it. Wendy still entirely stands a chance against IF, as he doesn’t have good wind resistance feats, and Wendy is faster than him with a buff.

Yes they do

I was under the impression that the tier requirement was 1v1 against IF

The reason she was called out in that tourney was that she boosted people OOT for a mountain busting tourney. If she can do that for that level, she can definetly do similar for this level.

It can be argued that due to the far higher power of mountain tier, that the buffs were more effective, assuming they work as a small multiplier kinda like you suggested. In this lower tier it should be much less pronounced.

Edit: Also I'm pretty sure she was called OOT in the great debate because she was way too weak for Yusuke. Not because of amps.

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u/Ame-no-nobuko Jul 26 '18

Wouldn’t you know it that’s exactly what I’m doing. Multiple Man and Vader are pretty mediocre let’s be real.

Multiple Man is even worst. Sure one vs. someone in tier isn't a huge issue, but 10 of them all amped gets ridiculously quickly. Also speed is equalized, so the speed argument still applies.

Being a glass cannon doesn’t mean that you’re out of tier. Look at nightcrawler, for instance.

Based on you, she neither has the durability of to survive a hit and her attack powers is at the lower end of the tier. Unless she has something else going for her, she'd lose by more than 7/10

I was under the impression that the tier requirement was 1v1 against IF

Like with all of the tourneys with a team component there is some balancing to do with the team fights. Otherwise I'd just run Ronnie Raymond and Martin Stein, both with some magic sword they've had. Each like 3/10's Iron Fist, but in a team match they fuse together into Firestorm and 10/10 any player on the field

It can be argued that due to the far higher power of mountain tier, that the buffs were more effective, assuming they work as a small multiplier kinda like you suggested. In this lower tier it should be much less pronounced.

Uh no? Unless her buffs are exponential they'll put characters exactly the same amount out of tier as another "as good for tier" character in the mountain tourney

Also I'm pretty sure she was called OOT in the great debate because she was way too weak for Yusuke. Not because of amps

She was called out for both. I talked to Verlux

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u/xWolfpaladin ​ Jul 26 '18

Wendy is too weak to beat Iron Fist and too good in team matches. Speedboosted Darth Vader with a lightsaber that kill most people isn't in tier. A swarm of multiple man clones that can't be tagged and are extremely difficult to kill is not in tier.