r/whowouldwin • u/He-Man69 ​ • Jul 21 '18

Special Clash Of Titans Tournament.

Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls, its time for the Greatest tourney that has ever had the privileged to be submitted on Who Would Win. Lets get into the specifics

Tier Setter

This tournament will be a little different from most held on this site. Any participant can submit either:

3 entrees that can achieve a Unlikely Victory - Likely Victory against bloodlusted Iron Fist (each entrant should be able to 1v1 iron fist)

OR

1 entree that can achieve a Unlikely Victory - Likely Victory against bloodlusted Luke Cage

Both of these combatants will be using Tournament Specific RTs that will be provided, the goal being to use a high-end version of these characters that leave as little interpretation to entrants as possible.

If you do not see a feat for a stat or category that you have a question about, please leave a question for the judges to respond to. If you have a specific feat from the RT, please ask a judge.

Here are the Tournament specific RTs

Specifics

Each participant can submit a team of 3 Iron Fist Tier Characters AND/OR 1 Luke Cage Tier Character. You can choose to submit only 1 of these options, so submitting only 1 Luke Cage, or submit characters fitting both descriptions. How this works is that you private message a judge before the round starts telling them whether you want to use your 3 Iron Fists or your 1 Luke Cage in the upcoming round, and then that will be kept secret until the round goes up. If you do not message a judge before the round goes up, then it will be decided for you by coin flip.

How to Sign up

All you need to do to sign up is simply comment which character/characters you will be using. Once you have your characters thats it, you've officially signed up. As a side note you cannot choose a character that has already been chosen. This includes the same character from different arcs. First come First served.

Battle rules

Speed will be equalized to a base of 257 meters per second (mach .75). However speed boosts by character abilities are allowed. Projectiles are relative in speed to the character

Arena: Its the most densely populated city in North America, it's where Frank Sinatra wants to go, You know it as the Big apple. Its New York City. Characters start 514 meters apart. Your characters know that they have to defeat thier opponent to leave the city. The only way your characters can defeat there opponents is by Killing or Incapacitating them BFR is not an option.

For the purpose of this Tournament assume there are no other people in NYC.

Submission Specifics

Each participant will either chose a team of 3 people that each achieve unlikely-likely victory over a Bloodlusted Iron Fist, and 1 Character than can achieve unlikely-likely victory over a Bloodlusted Luke Cage.

No matter what option you pick, you must submit 1 back up character for each the Iron fist tier and the Luke cage Tier

Directly altering stats is a no go. On the other hand, using a character from an earlier story arc where they're weaker or adding / removing equipment they are shown to use are good

All submitted characters must have a Respect Thread. This is not up for debate; they must have a faithful RT that does not misinterpret the character willfully or leave out important information on said character.

Debate Rules

Rounds will last 4-5 days

due to the nature of this tourney the match ups might be varied between a mix of 1v1's and 3v3's so for each of these The reply limit and the number of coments will be different

If either you or your opponent is using a Luke cage tier Character, then you both are limited to 2 comments of 10k characters, and have 3 main responses. If both participants are using the 3 Iron fist tier character then you are both limited to 3 comments of 10k characters, and have 3 main responses.

Victory Conditions

Winning a match will be determined by a council of judges including my self there is also u/epizestro and u/wolfpaladin.

Judges won't judge on their preconceived notions of how strong the characters are but rather on how well you argue them to win

With that out of the way, Happy debating and may the odds be ever in your favour.

Sign ups end at Mighting EST July 26th.

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u/vert3432014 Jul 22 '18

Actually, logically, while the BFG Would kill doomguy (because it ignores armor when actually killing) against the suit itself it didnt leave a scratch (UAC tested all their weapons on it, BFG is a UAC weapon)

Well logically you can deduct that at best he had what he has in Doom 2016 (He was likely unarmored and unarmed, using this feat to attract the seraphim) (and that is logically impossible for weapons, but ok lets assume that is fair as its DG's most powerful incarnation to date) and its still a fucking impressive feat because its a demon as tall as a skyscraper.

that may be the case, I did not conciser that.

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u/Maggruber ​ Jul 22 '18

because it ignores armor when actually killing

Based on?

UAC tested all their weapons on it, BFG is a UAC weapon

I don’t think this is true. They subjected it to “tolerance tests” but that doesn’t necessitate the presence of weaponry at all, let alone their strongest experimental prototype.

He was likely unarmored and unarmed, using this feat to attract the seraphim

He didn’t have the Praetor suit, but that isn’t necessarily the case otherwise. He could’ve had all manner of demonic or Argent D’Nur weapons or equipment in addition to whatever temporary power ups he had at the time. Doesn’t make sense for him to have ditched everything he had prior to the Elemental Wraiths’ capture, even if it’s not as good as what he has now.

and its still a fucking impressive feat because its a demon as tall as a skyscraper.

Maybe, but we’re still talking about a guy with obvious limits even at the strongest we’ve seen him. He’s deterred by a sheet of reinforced glass. Whatever inferences that can be made about his offensive ability are somewhat constrained by the narrative implications of the game itself. Thus logically he would have needed to defeat the demon either with subversive methods, some type of unknown weapon or strategy, or simply found an exploaitable weakness. There’s nothing he absolutely needed to do in order to kill the demon that we don’t already see him do onscreen.

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u/vert3432014 Jul 22 '18

Based on the way it kills (it boils the blood until your body explodes)

" almost impervious to any damage " the UAC logs, note the word "any" meaning they fired everything at it.

And the sheet of glass is a game mechanic and not canon to LORE DG, which is the version I am using.

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u/Maggruber ​ Jul 23 '18

Based on the way it kills (it boils the blood until your body explodes)

That refers to the method by which it kills demons indirectly by exciting the argent energy inside their bodies, it’s still a huge ball of plasma that does damage no differently than the plasma rifle.

" almost impervious to any damage " the UAC logs, note the word "any" meaning they fired everything at it.

First thing of note, the terminology used in the log is painfully unscientific and vague. Really any interpretation of that north of “kinda strong” has weight behind it. But r/WWW asks for the lower, more reasonable interpretation, not the highest interpretation of a feat when there isn’t anything conclusive to support it.

It is logistically impossible for them to have tested every method, not to mention nonsensical. Why would the UAC subject their most prized artifact to fullest extent of their military potential? Are you suggesting they detonated nukes in an attempt to test it? To what end? It doesn’t make sense. It’s more likely they did these “tolerance tests” in a lab using, well, lab equipment like scalpels, blowtorches, liquid nitrogen, hydrochloric acid, high voltage electricity, etc, with any referring to types of “damage” as opposed to proving resiliency by means of excessive force.

Finally, what is the significance of “almost” in this sentence? Does that not mean it did receive damage? The Praetor suit is visibly battle damaged throughout all of its depictions, most notably the marketing material. We have no reason to think it’s functionally invulnerable based on this alone.

And the sheet of glass is a game mechanic and not canon to LORE DG, which is the version I am using

That was a cutscene, and it happens in another cutscene too. Unless you’re telling me cutscenes aren’t canon, I’m not sure what strange interpretation of the character you’re going with here. Are you saying stuff from only the codex entries and the Slayer’s Testament are valid? That makes him virtually featless and practically unusable in this tournament, not to mention they’re all character statements rather than actual feats. I’m not sure how objective or rational you expect these demons to be about their own boogeyman.

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u/vert3432014 Jul 23 '18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig_gQAITzIk <-- this explains how it kills demons pretty damn well.

For two, they would have tested it till they scratched it at least, and if its impervious to almost "any" damage, that means they were nearly at the top of their tree of powerful items before they even put a scratch in the damn paint job...

I didn't see that cutscene, and he isnt detered by the glass as he A. Does not know it is reinforced (hes been on the base a whole few hours, all of which spent slaughtering demons so he doesn't know the architecture), he doesnt even try at the glass so this is no good indicator of how well his suit can punch through anything.