Clash Of Titans Tribunal

[u/He-Man69]

What is Tribunal

Tribunal is a place where both the contestants and the judges discuss your characters and how they would do in the Tournament proper, whether they are too strong or too weak.

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How long is Tribunal?

Tribunal will be from July 27th until Midnight EST August 1st. With Round 1 going up immediately after.

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What happens if I'm deemed OOT (Out Of Tier).

You would need to find a replacement character. Short of that Remove any OOT gear or abilities. To switch out characters simply Tag one of the judges and we'll switch them for you.

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OOT calling during the Tournament Proper

As this is a debate tournament, it would be a bit silly to not be allowed to debate things. As such your debate skills will be put to the test if or when your Opponent calls your characters OOT during the Rounds. Simply debate better than your opponent and your characters will stay in the tournament.

OOT arguments in the tournament proper will be handled as a separate decision from the main judgements. How this works is that, should you argue OOT, whether you were successful will be decided by a judge vote, and then the judgements will proceed taking the result of the vote into account.

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Miscellaneous Rules.

You must participate in tribunal at least once, this does not include defending your characters.

There will be an unbreakable sphere around the arena, As such no one can enter or leave. You cannot teleport outside the dome. There is no possible way for a character to enter or leave

The fights start in the exact center of NYC with opposing teams starting 500 meters away from each other, and characters on the same team will start 10 meters away from their teammates.

All weapons begin holstered, however all draw feats scale to movement speed.

The battles will start at Midday unless stipulated otherwise

For something to count as incapacitate it would need to last for 3 minutes.

For the purpose of tribunal all Characters are bloodlusted against the tier setters, but will be IC for the Tournament Proper

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Any other rules please feel free to ask, Happy Hunting

LINK TO SIGN UPS FOR THOSE INTERESTED.

If everyone could PM me which team they will be using for the first round it would be much appreciated.

[u/xWolfpaladin]

/u/EmbraceallDeath

I'm going to assume that Kai can be killed with traditional force, because I'm not going to let him in if literally the only way to kill him would be using Chi manipulation.

As it stands Kai is probably still too strong - this is comparable if not better than Luke Cage, his striking is excellent, and his lifting/grappling is excellent

Initially I was considering merely restricting the blades, but as it stands he just seems far too much for Iron Fist to handle, especially with his skill.

I think Kai would be good for Luke tier, much less Iron Fist. Unless I'm missing something I don't see him being acceptable vs Iron Fist.

[u/EmbraceAllDeath → u/xWolfpaladin]

First Link-This is a durability feat - Kai endured being dragged through a large rock, which is comparable to hitting luke cage into a building and collapsing with the Iron Fist. Iron Fist's feat is more noteworthy as he both provided the force to propel Luke Cage and break the building, where as Kai only endured being propelled through the rock.

Iron Fist > Kai here.

 

2nd link - this is a strength feat- Iron RT's mentions that he relatively durable against his own Iron Fist- Kai's striking feat hear is comparable against to Iron Fist collapsing a building by punching Luke Cage against it, and to the strength feat where Iron Fist takes out the Helicarrier. Additionally, the building and rock in question that he cleaves in half is not that big if you glance at it's scaling compared to Po. Lastly, this feat is significantly less impressive than Luke Cage destroying the stone golem, as the golem in question towered much larger over luke and was vaporized into a little rocks as opposed to simply being cut in half.

Iron Fist = or < Kai here.

 

3rd link-Again a strength feat- However it's hard to evaluate this feat as a decent grappling strength feat considering the wonky physics of the Spirit Realm, and in any case is not excessively more impressive than the striking feat

not relevant to a Iron Fist vs Kai debate

 

4th link-Skill feat- Iron Fist has a comparable level of skill, considering he was able to defeat 4 goons before he was amped, and additionally can sense blades, giving him some degree of precog beyond the 5 senses. Iron Fists bullet catching feats from behind is a good example of comparable skill as well

Iron Fist = Kai here.

 

There are a couple of factors that even out the fight for Iron Fist-

• Superior endurance- Kai hasn't fought for that long in any of his fights, and even struggled to protect Oogway in fight during his backstory, while Iron Fist can go on for while even while taking dismemberment, cuts, acid, etc. Iron Fists's healing also helps him stay in the game longer because the ability to purge posion allows him to purge acids built up during exercise/fighting.

• environment- Kai is at a disadvantage in New York City due to not knowing the landscape, which a blood lusted Iron Fist can take advantage by launching surprise attacks, hiding to recover, misdirecting kai, etc. Additionally, the middle of New York City, which is approximately Brooklyn, is filled with much more buildings than classical China, which reduces the range and eyesight of Kai, who typically uses distance to fight with his chained blades.

[u/xWolfpaladin → u/EmbraceAllDeath]

Kai endured being dragged through a large rock, which is comparable to hitting luke cage into a building and collapsing with the Iron Fist. Iron Fist's feat is more noteworthy as he both provided the force to propel Luke Cage and break the building, where as Kai only endured being propelled through the rock.

The problem is that a building is not a gigantic, solid chunk of stone. You only need to do a certain amount of damage to a building to cause it to collapse, while Po essentially used Kai as a weapon to split a rock into chunks.

Also, it's durability, but it's very good durability.

Lastly, this feat is significantly less impressive than Luke Cage destroying the stone golem, as the golem in question towered much larger over luke

He's still splitting a massive chunk of rock into pieces with the force of just his punch

The size is at the very least comparable to what Luke cage broke.

4th link-Skill feat- Iron Fist has a comparable level of skill, considering he was able to defeat 4 goons before he was amped, and additionally can sense blades, giving him some degree of precog beyond the 5 senses. Iron Fists bullet catching feats from behind is a good example of comparable skill as well

The problem is that it means Iron Fist doesn't have a massive skill advantage to rely on. Typically, if a character is too strong, or too durable, Iron Fist could still use his skill to create a win condition.

Superior endurance- Kai hasn't fought for that long in any of his fights, and even struggled to protect Oogway in fight during his backstory, while Iron Fist can go on for while even while taking dismemberment, cuts, acid, etc.

This is true, but this doesn't matter if Kai just beats him to death at the start of the fight.

Kai is at a disadvantage in New York City due to not knowing the landscape, which a blood lusted Iron Fist can take advantage by launching surprise attacks, hiding to recover, misdirecting kai, etc. Additionally, the middle of New York City, which is approximately Brooklyn, is filled with much more buildings than classical China, which reduces the range and eyesight of Kai, who typically uses distance to fight with his chained blades.

They start across from each other, and since Iron Fist is bloodlusted, he is going to be going to beat Kai. Kai has more mobility, and more range, while Iron Fist only has running and punching. And it's not enough to deal with the large physical gap.

[u/EmbraceAllDeath → u/xWolfpaladin]

Can I replace Kai with Gandharva from Kubera then, with the stipulation that only feats from sections 2,4, and 5 are applicable, which cover his Human Form?

u/He-Man69

[u/EmbraceAllDeath → u/[deleted]]

Actually yeah that's my bad, I forgot about Gandharva's city destoying beams.

Can i put God Kubera from Kubera instead of Gandharva for replacing Kai? Stipulations for God Kubera include excluding his Sinkhole and Teleportation abilities.

u/He-Man69

[u/xWolfpaladin → u/EmbraceAllDeath]

Sure. Epi and Ken are dealing with the eastern media.