r/whowouldwin • u/xWolfpaladin ​ • Dec 19 '18

Event The Trial of Champions - Round 2

Continuing in the tradition of a debate oriented tournament, The Trial of Champions is an off-season, user-run tournament in the same style of the Great Debate. Strategizing your team, formulating why your entrants would win, and debating skill will all be important skills for this tournament.

Trial of Champions Tribunal link

Respect ToC!Hulk

Round will last from 12/18/18 to 12/28/18. Merry Christmas.

Rules

Battle Rules

  • Combatants cannot willingly target or hurt their own team members, but can hurt their own team members via collateral/BFR/etc. If you're running Batman and Joker, they won't fight, but if Joker uses his "blow up with the power of 10 suns" gadget, he'll kill his team.

  • All combatants will have their reaction time equalized to 10 milliseconds, with their base movement/running speed being equal to 70 mph. They will start about five relative seconds away, or .25 seconds, or 25 feet. Other methods of transportation will scale relatively to 70 mph - if you can run at 10 m/s, and fly at 20 m/s, then you'll be 140 mph in the tournament.

    • Speed boosts are still allowed, and stipulations for how they function/if you're allowing them are appreciated. For example, a character with a x10 reaction boost would be 1 ms in this tournament.

  • Projectiles will scale relatively, based on reaction speed and how fast your character perceives in their unequalized state. If Bullet-Dodge Jones and Neo are shooting at each other, both can dodge shots. If John Wick shoots Neo, Neo cannot dodge. And so on and so forth.

  • All combatants must be in tier through the Unlikely - Likely Victory metric. While combatants may be tribunaled for being under tier, they cannot be disqualified mid-tournament for being under tier. However, your characters can be considered out of tier at any time, including if your opponent does not request an OOT review, and you merely overplay your characters. If you're relying on a character being considered OOT to win, however, please request a review. I'm not omnipresent, not yet.

  • Every combatant starts each round being 'teleported' into the arena, knowing full well whomever they face down needs to die or be incapacitated in order for they themselves to advance and win and will do so.

  • All combatants begin without any weapons drawn or abilities active, hands idle at their sides, and the moment they teleport in they can begin combat. All combatants are in-character for the tourney itself. Characters with holsters or similar will begin with their weapons holstered, characters with weapons that cannot feasibly be holstered will begin with the weapons pointed at the ground.

  • Combatants will be treated as bloodlusted for the tribunal.

Gear Rules

There are two options for submitting gear. Standardized Gear and Specialized Gear

  • Standard Gear - Any gear a character has used at least twice, has regular access to, and would likely carry into a random encounter. Examples

Good - Batman has used a grapple gun in Detective Comics #787 and Batman #646. It is standard gear.

Bad - Batman has used the Justice Buster suit in Batman #35 and Batman #36.

The grappling hook is something Batman would reasonably always bring with him. The justice buster is not. Furthermore, all standard gear must be stipulated. If it is not stipulated with at least an “all gear in RT” a character can be assumed not to have it.

  • Specialized Gear: A character gets the gear they possessed in one appearance or set of appearances, but this is the only gear they get. Using the previous example, Batman could be stipulated to have the gear from Batman #35 and #36, but he would not get a grappling hook, as he did not use one in those issues.

Debate Rules

  • To declare an opponent out of tier, make one case for why you believe the opponent to be out of tier, while tagging me and GuyOfEvil, that is under 5,000 characters and part of one of your 3 responses. Your opponent will get one response to this, also under 5,000 characters, and from then on you will have to both argue with the assumption that the character is in-tier, unless you forfeit the match itself and rely entirely on the OOT request.

  • Each competitor must get a response in per 48 hour window, and a minimum of two responses per round. This means you will have to respond in a timely fashion.

  • 1v1s will have orders randomized

  • If you are declared OOT mid-debate, that character is automatically considered a loss. If you still win, you will have to switch to a backup.

  • Rounds will last 4-5 days, each user must respond within 48 hours of the previous response, and have at least two responses in by the end of the debate, unless an extension is granted at my discretion.

Misc Rules

These are largely rulings that I have made that I would like to write down to create a stronger precedent, that were not originally rules in tribunal or sign ups.

  • Speedboosts can be allowed, or disabled with a stipulation. They scale in proportion of the movement and reactions of the base character - a normal human gaining 40x faster reflexes and running would have 250 microsecond reactions in our tournament.

  • Big characters are start relative from where there furthest point is from their front - illustrated here.

  • Summons or 'fake' characters do not count for the purpose of a win condition - for instance, if a mage died in a 1v1 and left behind his 2 zombies, he would still automatically lose. This also applies to hive-minds or drone characters.

  • Characters with multiple bodies or hive-minds start so that the real or main version of that character starts in the standard location, with every other character starting 6 feet behind them, spaced 6 feet apart from the rest of the drones of hive mind characters. Illustrated here.

  • Characters are aware of how arenas function - they know they can be BFRd, certain areas instantly kill them, the water is an out of bounds zone, big characters can't be out of bounds, etc.

  • No arguing that powers don't work because of something like "This arena is in TF2, where physics are different". Seriously. Just don't do it. I swear to god.

Tournament Bracket

Round 2 Matchups

Round 2 will be 3v3s.

Debate format is IntroA/IntroB - Response 1A - Response 1B - Response 2A - Response 2B - Response 3A - Response 3B - and then conclusions in any order.

Kirbin vs PreRoastedTaco

Chainsaw__Monkey vs AndrewsPornAlt

Tarroyn vs Coconut

The_Iridescence vs ImadeThis

Mihkail vs HighSlayerRalton

Ame-No-Nobuko vs KerdicZ

Verlux vs ShinyBreloom

He-man69 vs Sn7_

Round 2 Arena

Team Fortress 2's Upward

Map of Upward

  • Combatants will start at the opposite side of the map, with full knowledge of the map and its locations, out of view of the enemy team, and represented by the blue and red squares.

  • The combatant summoned on top of the comment will be on the blue square, and the bottom will be on the red square.

  • Falling off the map will instantly kill any character who hits the bottom. The 'playable' area is outlined in red. If you can fly back before you hit the bottom, you will not die. Characters are fully aware of the unusual lethality of this cliff, regardless of if they think it can hurt them.

  • The fight takes place at high noon, with a clear sky.

  • Busting the arena and causing your opponent to fall to the ground counts as a win condition.

  • Falling into the pit at the very center of the map will also instantly kill characters

Good luck, and have fun.

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u/Verlux ​ Dec 20 '18

Argument Two

Comment One

Counterpoints

Tian Rebuttal

It doesn't matter how quickly Susanoo activates, Tian's Monochrome has never shown an activation period; Ah Gou and Zi Yu breathing isn't indicative of anything significant, either.

That Golem was hollow on the inside.

This doesn't even remotely engage what my argument was. Also your claim about the Mountain isn't substantiated, you've proven nothing still.

Pixel Calc Fuckery

I'm actually kinda impressed by how horrendously wrong this is. The City Golem verbatim takes steps that push Ah Gou back a mile at a time. Something as small as you claim would be incapable of performing such a feat, as its stride would be multiple times its height.

Random Monochrome shit

I've never seen any proof for durability in your own scans.

How about an explicit statement?

Monochrome has also been shattered before.

Dark Wall has been, yes. Not relevant here.

Literally how? Shadow Clones cut your chakra in half per use

Ah yes, the tried and true 'If I weaken myself in the vitality-draining aura that is crushing me and halving my already-piteous stats, I'm sure to win' method. Bold strategy Cotton.

More Wrong Things

You mean, the skin that was made with wood and metal. The thing called iron. There's no feats to suggest the golem is mountain level and there's genuinely no feats contradicting it as iron

It's like you're purposefully ignoring literally anything I say.

And Kirin destroyed and turned a hill to ash.

This scan shows nothing of the sort.

This is meaningless. You don't even have a scan for this. Superhuman has no other meaning.

You want a scan of the hypersonic, phoenix-bound, physical monstrosity dude being superhuman for me to call him superhuman? This is the most pedantic thing I've encountered thus far. Here, have an entire Respect Thread, I can't be bothered to link literally every feat since every one of them is superhuman.

Boiling the sea is also meaningless, that just means the lightning is stronger in certain concentration.

Yes, that's.....the significance??

Chtylok

You fail to provide electricity resist feats.

You fail to provide shockwave feats (getting punched by the Hulk isn't a fuckin shockwave feat).

Chtylok lacking a counter to my team's specific powerset does not make my team Out of Tier.

Knockbacks and jumping high aren't adequate gap closers in a 4v1.

Buzzwords is only true here if you fail to grasp intuitive argumentation; if someone is fighting people in this tier, my pointing out they're superhuman is self-evident. It's emphasizing the scale of the potency for the lightning in question.

Counter-counter Countered

You literally have not engaged the size of the City Golem, meaningfully, at all, nor grasped what it's even made of FFS.

if you can break out of one you might not be able to break out of the other.

Good thing Monochrome is a catch-all?

Response to Your Second Comment Begins here

Because he also has a Warfan to redirect it and it's happened before in FSJ? Hell Ah Gou was struggling with this and had to put in effort.

Comparing the Aura of Origin to the Warfan is insanely sus. For one, the Aura explicitly had the ability to deflect Ah Gou's Monochrome, something never again replicated in-series except by Tian's Monochrome. For two, Monochrome is a gigantic AoE, as is the Aura of Origin, the fan is not.

They can substitute far away out of it.

They can't escape the entire arena, nor are they fast enough to evade it.

There's another reference shot here.

I like how you're trying to argue the Golem isn't mountain-sized when we see it right next to a fucking mountain. Like, here, again.

Random OOT Claim

A highly-concentrated, instantaneous blast of lightning that ashes is a body is indeed many times more powerful than a lightning bolt. This is not OOT. The Hulk, by tanking lightning for so damn long as seen in the master post above, has absurd heat-change resistance. It simply wouldn't ash him. His body's resilience to entropy and changing of heat would prevent this killing him. It would hurt him, sure, but yeah, not OOT, Wolfpaladin himself even commented on Discord about Hulk's heat-change resistance. So unless I was led astray by the coordinator of the tourney itself, I'm provably in the clear.

Nature Release emulates the natural element which is vastly weaker.

You want proof that emulating a natural element with something called Nature Release emulates the element it is stated to emulate?

....the fuck? Know what, prove his lightning is even remotely good instead.

“It's iron. No wait, it's iron stronger than iron."

If you read what I said, it'd actually make sense. But, here ya go, and Ah Gou's arm has this for durability at base. It's described as being like iron repeatedly, but the reality, as stated, is far superior.

Chakra is fluid and it flows through Gates.

You literally link a scan stating Narutoverse characters have base human durability for their internal organs to try and negate a feat wherein Monochrome bypasses durability and assaults someone's innards directly, someone who is explicitly being coated in protective power per the scan I gave, thus he is superior to them? Holy shit, thank you for the help!

People were able to go inside of it and it's hollow.

I feel you literally aren't getting the point: Tian break skin. Skin tank mountain-bust. QED Tian output>mountain-bust.

New Feng Du

Dude....what? The feat speaks for itself. Your lack of comprehension is the only thing that is untrustworthy in this case. Bai Yu explicitly turns the city into a Smelting Aura construct with the aid of the 100,000 people's life forces from the city as well as its raw materials. Smelting Aura cannot manipulate non-Smelting Aura objects: it can only manipulate Aura itself. He wouldn't be able to forge a 'natural' Golem from Smelting Aura.

Gods

They're still Ancient Gods and you have no evidence otherwise

Are you attempting to put impetus upon me to prove a negative? You cheeky fucker. It's simple: if you want to prove they die when their horns are removed, show me a scan of them dying with their horns removed. Oh wait, you can't.

Random Sealing Attempt

Also Ten Sealing Gates can drop from the sky and suppress Tian, Huang Long, and Ah Gou before they can fight back and suppress as they fall from the sky and Hashirama can stack 10 of them on top of one another.

A. Scans for this being his go-to move?

B. How is he going to accomplish this when he's dying from Monochrome?

None of my opponent's rebuttals come close to hitting the mark and sticking.

Why I Still Win

  1. My opponent has not succinctly countered any of my points about Monochrome, at all.
  2. My team is not remotely Out Of Tier just because my opponent lacks specific resistance feats.
  3. Genjutsu is not effective and the anti-illusion feats of Monochrome were not countered
  4. Hashirama and Madara still die. This was not countered.
  5. It is still a 4v1 from the get-go due to Chakra's instability never being countered in the presence of Monochrome.
  6. Susanoo is useless; fucking sound can bypass it, and yet I'm to believe it can block Monochrome?
  7. Chtylok still dies to the 4v1.

My opponent fundamentally lacks an understanding of Feng Shen Ji; it is not my responsibility to enlighten him as to his ignorance, rather, it is his responsibility to know what he is arguing. As such, he is arguing blind and does not fully grasp my characters or their scaling or their abilities, while I can provably counter his character by simply pointing to where they're weak to my line-up.

I win.

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u/ShinyBreloom2323 ​ Dec 21 '18

Tian is Out of Tier

It doesn't matter how quickly Susanoo activates, Tian's Monochrome has never shown an activation period; Ah Gou and Zi Yu breathing isn't indicative of anything significant, either.

If they don't have better feats for breathing it doesn't exist. Ah Gou is a low end mountain buster by your own admittance and doesn't have breathing feats, so I see no issue why my characters can;t breathe either.

This doesn't even remotely engage what my argument was. Also your claim about the Mountain isn't substantiated, you've proven nothing still.

Pixel Calc Fuckery

I'm actually kinda impressed by how horrendously wrong this is. The City Golem verbatim takes steps that push Ah Gou back a mile at a time. Something as small as you claim would be incapable of performing such a feat, as its stride would be multiple times its height.

Pixel Calc 2, based on your own assumptions.

Assumptions

  • Each step =1 mile

  • Assuming that the Golem has human like proportions

  • The crystal cities density is comparable to quartz

Calculation

Height of Golem

A step from the Golem appears to be around 69 pixels in this image. At 1 mile/step thats 23.32 m per pixel.

In the same image the Golem is about 174 pixels tall, giving it a height of 4058.3 m

Size of the Golem

Humans have an average density of ~.0711 m3 and are 1.71 m in height. Assuming that the golem has scaled up human proportions it is 4058.3/1.71 = 2373.3x larger, so its volume is (2373.3)(.0711)=168.74 m3 sans wings. Assuming the wings add an additional 50%, thats 253.1 m3 . (This mass isn't anywhere near mountain volume. Even going with a small mountain of like .5 km tall x 1 km diameter thats still 1.31e8 m3)

Size of the Crystal Mountain

Mass of the Crystal Mountain

Using the density of quartz its 1.26e14 Kg or 1.39e11 Tons. That's ~96% of the mountain Hulk busted, which means Tian is definitely OOT if it's as large as you claim.

Three points can be made:

  1. The Golem is always small no matter how you calc or interpret it, with or without hyperbole. Huang Long doesn't scale to it, and Ah Gou only resists a part of it.

  2. The mountain is the only big thing, and it's OOT in comparison.

  3. With the same strength as Hulk and Monochrome, Tian would win every time, thus it's both illogical for him to be kept. Tian is OOT, the other two are weak.

Counter-counter Countered

You literally have not engaged the size of the City Golem, meaningfully

Golem Conclusion:

You've dug yourself into a hole for the following reasons:

  • That narration was done by a random spectator, look at the top left.

    • If you're scaling them to be able to lift, bust, or significantly damage the crystal mountain they are OOT since the mountain is nearly as heavy as the one Hulk lifted
    • That narration is nearly completely hyperbole. "Like a pebble in the face of a mountain" and "pushed back for miles and miles" doesn't apply when the Golem is a fixed distance away from the city. Even assuming if it isn't, if we calc it with your assumptions it's still too small. The Golem is not that strong regardless. The Golem is too small regardless of the calc. Even if you treated it as a 4 km by 0.5 km x 0.5 km box that's 1e9 m3 ignoring that its hollow. Hulk's mountain is like a couple magnitudes greater in volume
    • If it's small, I mentioned the Golem also wasn't completely destroyed and he was stopping it and won. He doesn't bust it.

Dude....what? The feat speaks for itself. Your lack of comprehension is the only thing that is untrustworthy in this case. Bai Yu explicitly turns the city into a Smelting Aura construct with the aid of the 100,000 people's life forces from the city as well as its raw materials. Smelting Aura cannot manipulate non-Smelting Aura objects: it can only manipulate Aura itself. He wouldn't be able to forge a 'natural' Golem from Smelting Aura.

So it's city level? Nothing you've said vaguely matters.

Monochrome and Dark Wall

I've never seen any proof for durability in your own scans.

I have linked albums of tanking Bijuu bombs. I've linked images of Madara surviving Hashirama's attacks, and the barrage from Hashirama's casual Ten-Thousand Hand Senju that decloaked Susanoo-Kyuubi made the Valley of the End.

Monochrome has also been shattered before.

Dark Wall has been, yes. Not relevant here

Still you aren't answering my question, it doesn't matter if it can pressure him if the Golem was giving him trouble, which isn't that large.

Good thing Monochrome is a catch-all?

They can't escape the entire arena, nor are they fast enough to evade it.

They have enough chakra to make clones and it doesn't actually matter. I have already linked scans on this.

Shadow Clones cut your chakra in half per use, Madara already used his Perfect Susanoo, a form he doesn't have access to here but is relevant because it takes up chakra and he has the same amount since he's alive, and still had chakra to cloak the Kyuubi after fighting with Hashirama's Wooden Dragons.

Comparing the Aura of Origin to the Warfan is insanely sus. For one, the Aura explicitly had the ability to deflect Ah Gou's Monochrome, something never again replicated in-series except by Tian's Monochrome. For two, Monochrome is a gigantic AoE, as is the Aura of Origin, the fan is not.

Proof?

Sasuke did the same thing with his imperfect Susanoo and did the same thing Madara did.

Ah yes, the tried and true 'If I weaken myself in the vitality-draining aura that is crushing me and halving my already-piteous stats, I'm sure to win' method. Bold strategy Cotton.

No, if Monochrome halves my chakra, I can logically make half as many clones. I'm even being generous as normally there would be 24 clones made because of 25-1 and how each clone would halve it's chakra.

Huang Long points:

It's like you're purposefully ignoring literally anything I say.

You're also ignoring everything I say. Respond to the hyperbole part, please, because this feels like discord bait.

This scan shows nothing of the sort.

This is meaningless. You don't even have a scan for this. Superhuman has no other meaning.

Here, have an entire Respect Thread, I can't be bothered to link literally every feat since every one of them is superhuman.

Those words still mean nothing to me. Here, have an RT

Boiling the sea is also meaningless, that just means the lightning is stronger in a certain concentration.

Yes, that's.....the significance??

Except you were also arguing that it would be stronger than a continuous stream?

Chtylok rebuttal

You fail to provide electricity resist feats.

I don't need them, Huang Long is literally garbage. Look through the RT and give me a single mountain tier feat. Madara can cloak Chtylok and has enough chakra. One of the first things I mentioned was that Hashirama had as much chakra as KCM Naruto, and Madara has comparable reserves due to fighting Hashirama. Madara completely ignored Raikage's passive lightning cloak and tanked his chop with just the Susanoo ribcage when his cloak alone slices off parts of a large underground building just by being nearby Sasuke, even though Sasuke can defuse lightning with chakra

You fail to provide shockwave feats/Chtylok lacking a counter to my team's specific powerset does not make my team Out of Tier.

The way they pound one another through cave tunnels back and forth implies that already. Logically if he's sent back by the Hulk again and again through tanking hits and has the endurance to do so for days at a time, I don't see what your logic is.

Knockbacks and jumping high aren't adequate gap closers in a 4v1. Buzzwords is only true here if you fail to grasp intuitive argumentation; if someone is fighting people in this tier, my pointing out they're superhuman is self-evident. It's emphasizing the scale of the potency for the lightning in question.

And people who use techniques by projecting their soul aren't?

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u/ShinyBreloom2323 ​ Dec 21 '18

Nature Release emulates the natural element which is vastly weaker.

This is never said for Wood Release.

....the fuck? Know what, prove his lightning is even remotely good instead.

Normal thunder doesn't take the shape of an oriental unicorn and explode in a hill comparable to the mountains.

If you read what I said, it'd actually make sense. But, here ya go, and Ah Gou's arm has this for durability at base. It's described as being like iron repeatedly, but the reality, as stated, is far superior.

If you don't say how much stronger, it's completely irrelevant.

You literally link a scan stating Narutoverse characters have base human durability for their internal organs to try and negate a feat wherein Monochrome bypasses durability and assaults someone's innards directly, someone who is explicitly being coated in protective power per the scan I gave, thus he is superior to them? Holy shit, thank you for the help!

Saying they have organs doesn't say anything about the durability of said organs. The gates are only the base principal for how Rasengan works, which is why chakra flows into a sphere.

Are you attempting to put impetus upon me to prove a negative? You cheeky fucker. It's simple: if you want to prove they die when their horns are removed, show me a scan of them dying with their horns removed. Oh wait, you can't.

I have a scan of Ancient Gods dying with their horns removed and dragons have horns. I don't see a scan to the contrary.

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Technique Critiques

A. Scans for this being his go-to move?

B. How is he going to accomplish this when he's dying from Monochrome?

They're summons and they don't need his own chakra. He only needs Sage Chakra and they drop from the sky upon him clasping his hands together. This was also his first response against Juubi., and Sage Chakra comes from the ambient environment so he doesn't need his own chakra. Not to mention, he still had enough to make wood clones and tank a compressed Juubi Bomb afterward.

None of my opponent's rebuttals come close to hitting the mark and sticking. Why I Still Win

My opponent has not succinctly countered any of my points about Monochrome, at all. My team is not remotely Out Of Tier just because my opponent lacks specific resistance feats.

No, your team is out of tier because of the wording you are using. You've admitted said voltage was for more than what was sent in tier, and Susanoo has already tanked chakra enhanced lightning if it's a short burst.

Genjutsu is not effective and the anti-illusion feats of Monochrome were not countered

They were sight based, not auditory nor inhaled. Just because he broke out of one illusion doesn't mean he can break out of another, as resistance doesn't mean immunity. Itachi could not break out of Kabuto's sound Genjutsu despite being a master at Tsukuyomi.

Hashirama and Madara still die. This was not countered. It is still a 4v1 from the get-go due to Chakra's instability never being countered in the presence of Monochrome. Susanoo is useless; fucking sound can bypass it, and yet I'm to believe it can block Monochrome? Chtylok still dies to the 4v1.

Garbage, all your characters are slower than sound and have been affected by it. Madara has the Rinnegan and is immune to the light portion, and even Itachi could form an arm to avoid Sasuke getting vored alive. Also that sound was made from White Rage technique, and Itachi still moved and formed a Susanoo under its influence, he just couldn't hear nor see. Thanks to the aforementioned Rinnegan Madara doesn't care. Even then, Madara has been blind before, and that hasn't stopped him from using Susanoo. Madara also has inhaled hot ash and smoke that formed within his lungs, and hot ash causes breathing difficulty when inhaled.

To quote,

The number one cause of death when it comes to fires is smoke inhalation. Smoke inhalation damages the body by asphyxiation (lack of oxygen), chemical irritation, or a combination of the two. Smoke itself can be harmless to you but it takes up the space needed for oxygen, similar to carbon dioxide. Smoke inhalation is especially dangerous because people may not show symptoms until 24 to 48 hours after the event. An estimated 50-80% of fire deaths are from inhalation, not burns.

Said heat would also lower oxygen supply, to quote:

Over 90% of emissions from fires are small enough to enter the respiratory system. Inhaling carbon monoxide decreases the body's oxygen supply. Fine particles in the air are able to travel deep into the respiratory tract and cause shortness of breath or worsen pre-existing medical conditions such as asthma. Woodsmoke exposure can depress the immune system and damage the layer of cells in the lungs that protect and cleanse the airways.

Also, Madara was fine afterward as evidenced here.

My opponent fundamentally lacks an understanding of Feng Shen Ji; it is not my responsibility to enlighten him as to his ignorance, rather, it is his responsibility to know what he is arguing. As such, he is arguing blind and does not fully grasp my characters or their scaling or their abilities, while I can provably counter his character by simply pointing to where they're weak to my line-up.

I win.

No, you don't. You've failed to procure feats when I've linked appropriate evidence. It's your job to provide it and link scans instead of spout unsubstantiated claims.

Win Conditions with Madara and Hashirama alone.

Furthermore, this brings back the points I stated earlier:

Armored Magic Purple Cock

Wooden Golem intertwined Susanoo Chicken

Endurance.

Hashirama's and Madara have fought for 24 hours and Chytylok has fought for days. Madara has two minutes of retcon time with Izanagi.

Clone Feints

I would like the judges to reevaluate feat interpretation and in addition, reconsider there is a lack of understanding about Naruto and a failure to understand nor grasp the fundamental mechanics and differences in strength between Wood Release while mechanics work the same.

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u/ShinyBreloom2323 ​ Dec 22 '18

Conclusion:

Due to Hashirama's incredibly vitality and Madara's persistence and versatility, coupled with Chtylok's strength, my team of three has the power to outlast, quickly shut down, and suppress my opponent. In addition, my team has both the ability and necessary resistances to defend against the enemy team's lackluster attacks and retaliate. Even with a large quantity of assumptions on the opposing side and generous size calculations, I still outmaneuver, outlast, and outreact my opponent.