r/whowouldwin • u/KenfromDiscord • Apr 08 '20
Event Clash of Titans Season 3 Round 2.
Out of Tier Rules
For Out of Tier requests, Simply debate better than your opponents. The judges will judge the quality of both participants arguments into question and decide a winner based on that.
Battle Rules
Speed - movement speed and combat speed will be set at Mach 1, Combat and movement speed, with their reactions scaled down/up relatively. Speed boosts via abilities, however, are indeed allowed to make one surpass this base speed threshold.
Battleground:
Its SCP-3008. SCP 3008 is an huge space (Current measurements indicate an area of at least 10km2) designed to look like the inside of a regular Ikea store. The arena will be tall enough that the largest submitted character can fit comfortably inside. Combatants start 10 meters away from each other, and in a line spaced 2 meters apart from their allies. Every combatant starts each round being 'teleported' into the arena, knowing full well whomever they face down needs to die or be incapacitated in order for they themselves to advance and win and will do so, and with knowledge of their allies' weapons and abilities. All combatants begin without any weapons drawn or abilities active, hands idle at their sides, weapons holstered, and the moment they teleport in they can begin combat. All combatants are in-character for the tourney itself. No character can escape SCP-3008.
As a side note, the towns that have been set up as well as SCP-3008-2 are not present for the tourney.
Side side note, while combatants cannot exit the arena that does not preclude parts of the arena being torn off and used as weapons.
Combatants spawn in the very center of the Ikea.
Submission Rules
Tier:
Must be able to win an unlikely victory, draw/near draw, or likely victory against
Ben Grimm AKA The Thing
in the conditions outlined above; All entrants will be bloodlusted against The Thing, meaning they will act fully rationally and put down their opponent in the quickest, most efficient manner possible regardless of morality, utilizing any and all possible techniques/tactics/attacks if necessary.
For tier setter fights/OOT requests assume both Thing and your character are bloodlusted
Debate Rules
Rounds will last 5 days, hopefully from Tuesday until Sunday of each week of the tourney; there is a 48 hour time limit both on starting (we do not care who starts, you and your opponent can figure that out) AND on responses, AND ADDITIONALLY each user MUST get in two responses or else be disqualified. If one user waits until the very last minute to force this rule to DQ their opponent without any forewarning to their opponents or the tournament supervisors, they will be removed from this tournament, no exceptions.
Format for each round: both respondents get Intro + 1st Response, then 2nd response, then a 3rd response and closing statement individual of one another that can be posted any time after both 3rd responses are complete. EACH RESPONSE MUST BE NO LONGER THAN THREE REDDIT COMMENTS LONG WITH A HARD CAP OF 25,000 CHARACTERS SPLIT BETWEEN THE THREE.
Rounds will either be a full 3v3 Team Match, or 1v1 single matches. 1v1 matches are determined by randomization. Match format will switch every round, with Team Matches always followed by single matches, and vice versa. First Round will be determined by coin flip.
Brackets Here
Round 2 will be
1v1 match ups.
Round 2 Ends Tuesday April 14th Midnight EST
Format for each round: both respondents get Intro + 1st Response, then 2nd response, then a 3rd response and closing statement individual of one another that can be posted any time after both 3rd responses are complete. EACH RESPONSE MUST BE NO LONGER THAN THREE REDDIT COMMENTS LONG WITH A HARD CAP OF 25,000 CHARACTERS SPLIT BETWEEN THE THREE.
Rounds will either be a full 3v3 Team Match, or 1v1 single matches. 1v1 matches are randomized based on sign up order via an internet list randomizer. Match format will switch every round, with Team Matches always followed by single matches, and vice versa. First Round will be determined by coin flip, and as it is 3v3s, next shall be 1v1, and so on and so forth.
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u/Coconut-Crab Apr 10 '20
Response One
Yujiro vs Kojiro
Yujiro is Kojiro’s ideal opponent: A brick with no ranged options. Kojiro’s win-condition for this fight is using his overwhelming skill advantage and divine sword to quickly and efficiently cut Yujiro apart.
Kojiro’s Sword
Kojiro’s sword, due to its divinity should have no trouble slicing clean through Yujiro. The process of Volund is one that creates divine weapons To use some very simple scaling, Jack the Ripper has gloves with the ability to turn whatever he touches into a divine weapon. A divine pebble flicked becomes hugely powerful, and a cloak when tossed around very inefficiently carves clean through a building. Considering that a sword is already more optimised for damage than a cloak or pebble, and that Kojiro swings weapons with far more speed and power, Yujiro’s piercing durability will not be able to resist Kojiro’s sword.
Kojiro’s sword was broken by another divine weapon, Yujiro won’t be able to hit Kojiro’s swords because of skill, and even if he did Kojiro has two of them.
Kojiro’s Skill
Kojiro is massively more skilled than Yujiro and is benefitted heavily by speed equalisation. On top of being a master swordsman in a variety of styles and techniques. However, Kojiro’s biggest asset is of course, his Thousand Image Defense. Within seconds, by analysing Yujiro’s passive traits, Kojiro can immediately play out multiple battles, and this is against Poseidon, who is massively faster than Kojiro and therefore more difficult to formulate a strategy against. Kojiro can very quickly stop attacks he can’t even react to, and consciously predict his opponents.
Yujiro’s skill feats and statements are essentially limited to just martial arts knowledge and mastery. Yujiro has nothing on the level of scanning the entire universe at once, has no statements like being thousands of steps ahead. If the massively faster Poseidon couldn’t, the speed equalised Yujiro has no means of hitting Kojiro once he gets the couple seconds he needs to analyse him.
There is no reason why Kojiro would not be able to easily scan Yujiro. Yujiro is a human and possesses all the human traits Kojiro uses to figure out the fighting style of opponents (breathing, posture, walking, etc). Yujiro using fantasy martial arts doesn’t matter. What Poseidon does isn’t even close to realistic, and Kojiro can handle that just fine. Yujiro can’t copy Thousand Image Defense, as it’s a technique contained mentally rather than physically.
Yujiro’s Flaws
Yujiro has fought swordsmen a couple times before, so we know how he likes to handle his encounters with them. For one, Yujiro is arrogant, and deems other people as inferior and himself as invincible, which, in his defence he is in the Baki universe. This of course will be his downfaill against a human who can easily harm him like Kojiro. When Yujiro sees a swordsman, his first move is consistently casually attempting to grab their sword, and in some cases letting himself be hit, ostensibly to assert dominance.
These acts of casual arrogance against someone of Kojiro’s skill and his swords potency will have two disastrous effects for Yujiro: Giving Kojiro more than enough time to analyse him, and more importantly, letting himself be sliced clean through.
Win-Conditions
Kojiro is capable of slicing clean through Yujiro and is massively more skilled, meaning he wins quite easily.
Yujiro’s arrogance takes over and he jobs, getting himself killed immediately
Luffy vs Thor
Thor is, once again, an ideal opponent for Luffy. One of his two major vectors of attack literally does not affect Luffy, and his physicals aren’t good enough to keep up without it.
Lightning
The elephant in the room here, Luffy, being rubber, is literally completely immune to electricity. This is, obviously, quite a big deal for the God of Thunder. Even on a conceptual level, if Thor’s electricity is effective against Thing then it would be impossible for him to fit tier if he was also at the peak of the tier physically, whereas Luffy doesn’t have to worry about such restrictions. When applied practically, Luffy’s immunity gives him a huge advantage.
When Thor attempts to use his electricity on Luffy, he’s wasting time. When Thor attempts to do this, or this, all he does is give Luffy enough time to wind-up a huge attack that will devastate Thor.
Physicals
Thor is obviously way weaker than Luffy.
Luffy can hurt Thor: This is Thor’s highest level durability feat. This means that a way stronger feat like this or Gear 3 will essentially one-shot Thor if it lands. Thor’s consistent durability is a lot worse. Piledriver can clearly hurt him, and Piledriver’s best feat is heavily damaging a car. Luffy’s most barebones jabs, which my opponent describes as “not bad”, are far beyond this level, and Luffy can chain countless of these jabs with a Gum Gum Gatling. This will obviously demolish Thor. Thor gets absolutely demolished after being thrown into a stone wall. This means Luffy’s similar feats of launching people large distances should effectively one-shot Thor. Luffy’s lifting is good too.
Thor can’t hurt Luffy: Thor’s best striking feat is destroying the top of a building by hitting Loki into it. This is just flat out pretty bad and can’t hurt Luffy. Not only can Luffy tank his own hits, using Kizaru scaling, Luffy is not knocked out by kicks from him, and Kizaru kicks him multiple times. Kizaru’s kicks do huge damage to trees that are bigger than buildings, which is better than any of Thor’s striking feats. My opponent links several “anti-feats”, but none of them are very good. One of these “anti-feats” is Luffy getting kicked by Kizaru, which obviously isn’t an anti-feat. The other anti-feats are against characters my opponent doesn’t quantify as being under tier, and generally don’t make much sense considering Luffy has countless way better feats both before and after those points.
Gear 2
All the feats I linked have been without the usage of Gear 2, a temporary stat boost that Luffy can make use of. Gear 2 provides Luffy a significant speed boost, and makes his normal strikes capable of harming Lucci, who no-sold him before. Considering Thor was already physically trounced by Gear 1 Luffy, Gear 2 will destroy him so quickly that the time limit doesn’t really matter.
Win-Conditions
Thor will attempt to use lightning, giving Luffy enough time to BTFO him with a big hit.
Luffy is physically stronger and cannot be easily harmed. He will brute force through Thor, as his feats are extremely mediocre.
If Luffy really needs to, then he can activate Gear 2, gaining an even bigger advantage over Thor that allows him to win pretty easily.