r/whowouldwin • u/TooAmasian • May 08 '22
Battle Arena of Assholes Round 1
Welcome to the first round of Arena of Assholes, aka Venom Tier
This is a debate focused bracketed tournament where users pick characters to argue against other users, with a certain character (Venom in this case) functioning as a measuring stick to prevent any one user from being too strong or unfair. You pick four characters, enter into rounds, and then argue you win against someone else with their picks.
In this tournament specifically, you choose 4 characters to run that can range from "unlikely to likely victory" against the tier setter Venom. The 4th pick works as a "rotating backup," meaning you choose only 3 of your characters to participate prior to each round.
The Brackets
Round 1 - 1v1s
The Tier Setter
Example of this kind of debate
This tier is designed for strong characters who can deliver and take hits that destroy copious amounts of concrete while being fast enough to bullet-time at close distances.
The tier setter is an idealized version of the sinister symbiote, Venom.
Venom
Full Tourney RT
| Stat | Interp |
|---|---|
| Strength | A full force blow launches an opponent through several floors hard enough to embed into asphalt |
| Speed | Bullet timing reactions, can run 100 mph and web-sling at 200 mph. Superhuman agility. |
| Durability | Is fine being punched through a very thick concrete wall |
| Range | Tentacles can reach around 20 feet when standing still and a decent distance greater than his melee range in combat |
| Misc | Has tentacles that can extend his range, web-slinging for mobility, and anti-stealth measures by "seeing" out of his skin |
Rules
Arena Rules- Round 1's arena will be Nuketown 2025 from Call of Duty: Black Ops 2
Spawn points and other relevant images
- Team 1 is the top team in the comment and team 2 is the bottom team
There will be no nuke detonation
Do not be an asshat with arena rulings. Do not make arguments like "This is real earth, so abilities do not work" or "I become omnipotent due to magic present in the arena."
Assume materials within the map are made of and equivalent to their real life counterparts (road is made of asphalt, dirt is made of dirt, cars are made of metal, etc.)
There's is an invisible WhoWouldWinium wall surrounding the map's bounds to prevent escaping the map and the sky caps at the troposphere
- WhoWouldWinium is an infinitely durable material that otherwise has properties equivalent to balsa wood and cannot be affected in any way. It is fully sapient and has the authority to disqualify your characters if you attempt to abuse it
All "sunlight' present in the arena is fake sunlight that grants whatever normal powers but will not inhibit vampires or other characters with an inherent weakness via a WWWinium lightbulb. It is as warm and bright as normal sunlight.
Battle Rules
All combatants are aware of the basics of their allies' combat abilities but are in the blind on their opponents (unless they have canon knowledge of said person via sharing a fictional universe)
All combatants are fully aware that their enemy must be defeated for them to be able to survive, to be able to return to their home reality, and for the omnipotent organizers of this scenario to be satisfied. All combatants are aware of rules for the objective of the tournament
Incapacitation is defined by being unable to continue fighting. Being knocked out, being killed, being BFRd, or fully succumbing to exhaustion. If this condition is met for more than 12 full seconds, your character loses, and in a 3v3, they are removed from the arena in a flash of light after being incapacitated for 12 seconds. To reiterate, combatants are aware of this rule. Note that being restrained does not count as being unable to fight if it's something like a physical grapple or generally something that needs concentration to maintain, for example, you can't hold someone in a full nelson for 12 seconds to delete them from a 3v3.
Summons or 'fake' characters do not count for the purpose of a win condition - for instance, if a conjurer died in a 1v1 and left behind his 2 zombies, he would still automatically lose. This also applies to hive-minds or drone characters. This also means that characters who can reasonably be considered one entity can be run with ruling on a case by case basis, and will likely need to have a Prime Entity stipulated. This is, as well, determinable case by case without a specific end all be all example.
Every combatant starts each round being teleported into the arena, knowing full well whomever they face down needs to die or be incapacitated in order for they themselves to advance and win and will do so.
All combatants begin without any weapons drawn or abilities active, hands idle at their sides, and the moment they teleport in they can begin combat
All combatants are in-character for the tourney itself
Characters with holsters or similar will begin with their weapons holstered, characters with weapons that cannot feasibly be holstered will begin with the weapons pointed at the ground.
Debate Rules
Rounds will last roughly 6 days, from now Sunday until Saturday at noon EST of each week of the tourney; there is a 48 hour time limit both on starting (we do not care who starts, you and your opponent can figure that out, after Round 2 however we will mandate this) AND on responses, AND ADDITIONALLY each user MUST get in two responses or else be disqualified. If one user waits until the very last minute to force this rule to DQ their opponent without any forewarning to their opponents or the tournament supervisors, they will be removed from this tournament, no exceptions.
Intros, OOT requests, and conclusions are a max of 10k characters
Intros can be used to set up arguments such as by laying out that stats of your characters
Out of Tier Mechanic- A character can be veto'd mid tourney if the opposing debater calls for an Out of Tier review and the head judge agrees they are out of tier.
- An OOT requests works by pinging the head judge (me) and explaining why the character has been argued as Out of Tier by the opponent
- Each participant gets 3 OOT request for the whole tournament which is lost whenever their OOT fails to go through, this is done to avoid abusing the mechanic
You can not bring up new points in your conclusions, it is used to succinctly summarize and go over your prior arguments
Format for each round: the one to go first gets an Intro + 1st Response, their opponent replies in kind, then both get a 2nd response, then a 3rd response in a back-and-forth style, and a closing statement individual of one another that can be posted any time after both 3rd responses are complete. Reponses are max of a 15k characters each spread along a max of 3 comments.
Rounds will either be a full 3v3 Team Match, or 1v1 single matches. 1v1 matches are determined by randomization. Match format will switch every round, with Team Matches always followed by single matches, and vice versa.
Victory Conditions
Winning a match will be determined by a council of 4 judges. Each specific round will be judged by 2 judges with a 3rd judge coming in if needed for a tiebreaker. Judgements are based upon who made the more convincing argument not which character "objectively" wins the matchup.
Links
Pre-Tournament
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u/Theultimateambition INFINITE 100% May 10 '22
Deku the chad vs Ryouga, holder of L's
Deku will shatter Ryouga's dreams with a clean 16% Manchester Smash.
Tanking a building splitting attack is nice, but Deku is punching and kicking people who can take explosions that destroy chunks of a giant arena. He can crash through concrete walls like it's nothing, and shatter them with a kick. And if that's not enough, he can double his power with Fa-Jin, a quirk that allows him to accumulate energy to artifically increase his power (and speed!) without straining his body. It allowed him to go from 45% to 100%, that's a significant increase, all without injuring Deku at all. Now, it does require some charge up time, but that's easy. Deku can output a city block's worth of smoke to conceal himself until it's time to strike, then instantly take Ryouga out, who's still searching for the little broccoli boy. Say, maybe Ryouga does manage to find our little green bean in that sea of smoke, Deku has danger sense, allowing him to sense Ryouga's intent before Ryouga even attacks and act accordingly. This, combined with Deku's float and blackwhip which allow him to fly and create tendrils of energy respectively, he has a variety of combat options he can put to full use to take that man down.
Goku the monkey child vs Dragonite the friendly dragon
Goku will slap Dragonite harder than will smith slapped chris rock
Dragonite has a wide variety of powers, this is true, he has a cool design, this is also true. But Goku wins anyways because he's fucking GOKU. Goku's kamehameha was strong enough to cause a mountain to avalanche. Goku himself can casually resist bullets and is strong enough physically to contend with Old Roshi, who can easily knock out the same Krillin who sent a trained martial artist through a wall and then imbedded his shape into another wall. He also has his power pole which can extend enough to reach the moon. He's also fast enough to move on par with the Roshi who did this with Krillin. Overall he stomps that fat fucking dragon who Lance tried to wipe my team with in Heartgold fuck you Lance you're a bitch stop spamming hyper potions and fight me like a man you little pussy
Kirishima the culmination of all "I'm hard" jokes vs Danny Phantom the soon-to-be actual ghost
Kirishima is hard. Really hard. Harder than it is to make unique innuendos about his hardeness. Hard enough to beat Danny.
Kirishima is confident in tanking Bakugo's Howitzer Impact. Sugarman agrees that he'll survive. For reference, this is the power of Bakugo's Howitzer Impact: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iySRR9Swykk&t=71s. Kirishima can tank a multiple razors sharp enough to cut through buildings using base hardening, and using Red Riot Unbreakable he can tank an entire focused barrage of them and take no damage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2-cMwVp_Vo&t=238s. For speed he hardens himself before a bullet can hit him: https://imgur.com/BaDaCGA. So overall: he eats hits, which is enough to overwhelm Danny and take him out.