r/whowouldwin • u/TooAmasian • May 08 '22
Battle Arena of Assholes Round 1
Welcome to the first round of Arena of Assholes, aka Venom Tier
This is a debate focused bracketed tournament where users pick characters to argue against other users, with a certain character (Venom in this case) functioning as a measuring stick to prevent any one user from being too strong or unfair. You pick four characters, enter into rounds, and then argue you win against someone else with their picks.
In this tournament specifically, you choose 4 characters to run that can range from "unlikely to likely victory" against the tier setter Venom. The 4th pick works as a "rotating backup," meaning you choose only 3 of your characters to participate prior to each round.
The Brackets
Round 1 - 1v1s
The Tier Setter
Example of this kind of debate
This tier is designed for strong characters who can deliver and take hits that destroy copious amounts of concrete while being fast enough to bullet-time at close distances.
The tier setter is an idealized version of the sinister symbiote, Venom.
Venom
Full Tourney RT
| Stat | Interp |
|---|---|
| Strength | A full force blow launches an opponent through several floors hard enough to embed into asphalt |
| Speed | Bullet timing reactions, can run 100 mph and web-sling at 200 mph. Superhuman agility. |
| Durability | Is fine being punched through a very thick concrete wall |
| Range | Tentacles can reach around 20 feet when standing still and a decent distance greater than his melee range in combat |
| Misc | Has tentacles that can extend his range, web-slinging for mobility, and anti-stealth measures by "seeing" out of his skin |
Rules
Arena Rules- Round 1's arena will be Nuketown 2025 from Call of Duty: Black Ops 2
Spawn points and other relevant images
- Team 1 is the top team in the comment and team 2 is the bottom team
There will be no nuke detonation
Do not be an asshat with arena rulings. Do not make arguments like "This is real earth, so abilities do not work" or "I become omnipotent due to magic present in the arena."
Assume materials within the map are made of and equivalent to their real life counterparts (road is made of asphalt, dirt is made of dirt, cars are made of metal, etc.)
There's is an invisible WhoWouldWinium wall surrounding the map's bounds to prevent escaping the map and the sky caps at the troposphere
- WhoWouldWinium is an infinitely durable material that otherwise has properties equivalent to balsa wood and cannot be affected in any way. It is fully sapient and has the authority to disqualify your characters if you attempt to abuse it
All "sunlight' present in the arena is fake sunlight that grants whatever normal powers but will not inhibit vampires or other characters with an inherent weakness via a WWWinium lightbulb. It is as warm and bright as normal sunlight.
Battle Rules
All combatants are aware of the basics of their allies' combat abilities but are in the blind on their opponents (unless they have canon knowledge of said person via sharing a fictional universe)
All combatants are fully aware that their enemy must be defeated for them to be able to survive, to be able to return to their home reality, and for the omnipotent organizers of this scenario to be satisfied. All combatants are aware of rules for the objective of the tournament
Incapacitation is defined by being unable to continue fighting. Being knocked out, being killed, being BFRd, or fully succumbing to exhaustion. If this condition is met for more than 12 full seconds, your character loses, and in a 3v3, they are removed from the arena in a flash of light after being incapacitated for 12 seconds. To reiterate, combatants are aware of this rule. Note that being restrained does not count as being unable to fight if it's something like a physical grapple or generally something that needs concentration to maintain, for example, you can't hold someone in a full nelson for 12 seconds to delete them from a 3v3.
Summons or 'fake' characters do not count for the purpose of a win condition - for instance, if a conjurer died in a 1v1 and left behind his 2 zombies, he would still automatically lose. This also applies to hive-minds or drone characters. This also means that characters who can reasonably be considered one entity can be run with ruling on a case by case basis, and will likely need to have a Prime Entity stipulated. This is, as well, determinable case by case without a specific end all be all example.
Every combatant starts each round being teleported into the arena, knowing full well whomever they face down needs to die or be incapacitated in order for they themselves to advance and win and will do so.
All combatants begin without any weapons drawn or abilities active, hands idle at their sides, and the moment they teleport in they can begin combat
All combatants are in-character for the tourney itself
Characters with holsters or similar will begin with their weapons holstered, characters with weapons that cannot feasibly be holstered will begin with the weapons pointed at the ground.
Debate Rules
Rounds will last roughly 6 days, from now Sunday until Saturday at noon EST of each week of the tourney; there is a 48 hour time limit both on starting (we do not care who starts, you and your opponent can figure that out, after Round 2 however we will mandate this) AND on responses, AND ADDITIONALLY each user MUST get in two responses or else be disqualified. If one user waits until the very last minute to force this rule to DQ their opponent without any forewarning to their opponents or the tournament supervisors, they will be removed from this tournament, no exceptions.
Intros, OOT requests, and conclusions are a max of 10k characters
Intros can be used to set up arguments such as by laying out that stats of your characters
Out of Tier Mechanic- A character can be veto'd mid tourney if the opposing debater calls for an Out of Tier review and the head judge agrees they are out of tier.
- An OOT requests works by pinging the head judge (me) and explaining why the character has been argued as Out of Tier by the opponent
- Each participant gets 3 OOT request for the whole tournament which is lost whenever their OOT fails to go through, this is done to avoid abusing the mechanic
You can not bring up new points in your conclusions, it is used to succinctly summarize and go over your prior arguments
Format for each round: the one to go first gets an Intro + 1st Response, their opponent replies in kind, then both get a 2nd response, then a 3rd response in a back-and-forth style, and a closing statement individual of one another that can be posted any time after both 3rd responses are complete. Reponses are max of a 15k characters each spread along a max of 3 comments.
Rounds will either be a full 3v3 Team Match, or 1v1 single matches. 1v1 matches are determined by randomization. Match format will switch every round, with Team Matches always followed by single matches, and vice versa.
Victory Conditions
Winning a match will be determined by a council of 4 judges. Each specific round will be judged by 2 judges with a 3rd judge coming in if needed for a tiebreaker. Judgements are based upon who made the more convincing argument not which character "objectively" wins the matchup.
Links
Pre-Tournament
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u/NuzlockeMaster Gotta Catch Em All May 13 '22
Response 2
First off, thanks for using higher-quality scans.
Goku vs Dragonite
Ah yes, very casual of Goku…So casual that he literally has to throw his entire body at a fairly thin brick wall in order to make an about 3 foot wide hole, this also ignores the fact that the striking feat I listed are Goku’s best objective feats at this point in time.
But so what? Goku throwing himself at a wall literally does worse than Venom at his weakest and Dragonite would also tank his best strikes. Along with the feats that I listed in my previous response, Dragonite can take a hit from a Pokemon that obliterates way more stone with a strike.
Cool, where’s the evidence @ tho?
Goku is about 3 feet tall and Dragonite is 7'03", like I said before, he is going to have to make way more movements and do a lot more work in order to get a meaningful hit on an opponent that has over 4 feet on the guy. By the time Goku get’s all his movements done, Thunder Punch or Flamethrower will be ready to launch and punish the midget, especially since Dragonite has been equallized to being able to throw a punch in 25 milliseconds which easily allows him to be able to hit while he’s still mid-jump or in a cross-counter counter.
So? It’s totally in character for Kid Goku to take attacks like these head-on or engage against them in a beam struggle.
The question is now, can Dragonite overpower and withstand the Kamehameha? The answer is hell fucking yes!
At this point in time (reminder that the Red Ribbon Army saga ends at Chapter 69) Goku’s best feat is destroying the head of a robot that can tank his strikes and I already explained how Goku’s strikes aren’t that great for the tier.
Dragonite however, can easily blast a hole through a metal wall with Flamethrower. Not only is the hole in a harder material (metal instead of brick), but it is both thicker and wider than any of Goku’s best striking feats. His Ice Beam also has some power to it and doesn’t just have freezing, a reflected blast is able to blast a hole through a thick roof of a decently-sized building. Dragonite is able to take blasts that are both stronger than these moves and capable of redirecting them.
So yes, if they were to engage in a beam struggle (a very likely thing to occur) Dragonite would easily be able to overpower the Kamehameha and either scorch or Freeze Goku is Flamethrower or Ice Beam.
Nice speed feat for the Power Pool, but this tells nothing of its striking power so Goku blitzing Dragonite with it isn’t gonna change much considering I have demonstrated that he can tank all his hits.
In conclusion, Goku is still built like a gnome and still has trouble with dealing any meaningful damage to Dragonite, while Dragonite still has many ways to deal with Goku’s lack of resistance to thermal attacks.
Kirishima vs Danny
I’m actually gonna start off with the last point made.
Kirishima leaves a small scratch/cut on Bakugou’s face with a punch, Bakugou’s explosions/blasts come from his hands…These literally don’t scale at all to each other. Not only are these two different damage types, piercing vs explosive/internal damage, but they are also on two different parts of Bakugou’s body. The explosions come from Bakugou’s hands, so most of the recoil would be absorbed by arms not his face dude and would be more effecting the inside of his body not really his skin. So again, Kirishima still can’t hit hard enough to damage Danny.
This one is a minor point, this feat isn’t for Danny’s striking but his durability and this metal is titanium btw, so it is indeed a very impressive feat.
Okay and? Kirishima still doesn’t have any actual feats to support that he is able to withstand anything more than the small blasts from the feat that I linked in the previous response, and my opponent has not provided any evidence sufficient enough to suggest otherwise. So Kirishima still has no defense against Danny’s blasts. Also, Danny does barrage things.
Being strong enough to shatter ice is very different from being able to bust out of ice and you have yet to provide evidence that Kirishima is able to resist being frozen solid. Also, Danny is able to freeze physical/non-ethereal objects like water, so his freezing powers definitely work like normal ice/cold.
No, the strategy wasn’t just Danny running away from Kirishima after he knocked him away. It was the Danny would hit Kirishima with one of his normal strikes or a bullrush (all of which I have demonstrated can damage Kirishima in my previous response) and it would send him flying away from Danny, allowing him to just keep blasting Kirishima while he’s trying to regenerate his broken hardening or just freezing the sucker solid.
In conclusion, my opponent still hasn’t proven that their character has any defenses against Danny’s main forms of attacks (blasts and ice) nor have they proven that he is even able to hit hard enough to damage Danny, so Danny still mogs.
/u/Theultimateambition Here you go mate