r/whowouldwin • u/einharjar009 • Jul 04 '22

Battle Upcoming Death Battle #164: Excalibur vs Raiden (Warframe vs Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance)

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R1: Hand to hand

R2: Basic weapons/abilities

R3: Both have all weapons/abilities

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u/AGuyFromGPlus Jul 05 '22

Can't the HF Swords like effect things on the Quantum Lvl?

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u/ARKNet9000 Jul 05 '22 edited Jul 05 '22

Not exactly. HF blades work by having a powerful alternating current flow through it, vibrating the molecules of the blade at very high frequencies. This allows the blade to de-stabilise the molecular bonds of the object it’s striking, allowing for a much, much higher cutting power than an ordinary blade and basically allowing an HF blade user to cut through almost anything (given enough time).

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u/AGuyFromGPlus Jul 05 '22

Nah apparently they do affect things on the quantum level

"Yeah. Basically, the high-frequency upgrade sets the blade vibrating really, really fast, right? That vibration acts on the electron shells of atoms in the sword, and the local electromagnetic field. When the EMF achieves resonance, the blade's bonding is strengthened. At a quantum level, it's like the entire sword is made up of the exact same particle type. It also disrupts any atoms it comes into contact with -- say, those that make up the target. Their electron clouds shrink from exposure to quantum decoherence at the Planck scale. In other words, it electrically severs the bonds that keeps the target's atoms together."

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u/ARKNet9000 Jul 05 '22

Fair enough.

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u/AGuyFromGPlus Jul 05 '22

Could that mess up a Teno?

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u/Lunar_Husk Jul 05 '22

It is possible, however, the issue that Raiden faces is Excalibur's natural shield. The Murasama might be able to cut through a Warframe with enough swings and attacks, but it'll still have to get past the shield first to even do that, and the shield also has a natural ability to recharge after a few seconds of not taking or receiving any damage.

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u/AGuyFromGPlus Jul 05 '22

I'm guessing Raiden will be on the offensive if he sees that, he already fought someone who's basically invincible.... who also played college valley ya know?

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u/Lunar_Husk Jul 05 '22

Raiden's only option is the offensive against a Warframe. Defensive options against Warframes... well... never really work out in favor of those who choose it. All of Raiden's defensive moves like parrying and even blade mode to some extent aren't going to work entirely well against Excalibur and his exalted blade, which is basically a lightsaber on steroids. And Excalibur does appear to have faster reaction times than that of Raiden, as DB never stated that Raiden has FTL reaction times and all the evidence I found for it was him using Blade Mode to slow down a laser.

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A fight I would find interesting is Rhino vs Armstrong, both heavy-weight hitters... though I think it'd be way too much in favor of Rhino, who can stomp hard enough to stop time for a few seconds.

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u/AGuyFromGPlus Jul 05 '22

The true battle is a battle of memes

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u/Lunar_Husk Jul 05 '22

If it is a battle of memes, then Max0r wins, not MGR, nor Warframe, just Max0r

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u/ARKNet9000 Jul 06 '22

Yes. It can definitely mess up a Warframe. How many hits would that take is up for debate though. The attack power of an HF blade is a bit inconsistent. From your explanation, every single enemy in MGR should get one shot by an HF blade and yet there are several times characters survive or outright block an HF blade (specifically Armstrong).

Not to mention, almost all Warframes come equipped with regenerating energy shielding which should protect against an HF blade.

Raiden does have much better strength than Excalibur, with a similar scale of speed, durability and reaction speed. Basically comes down to how fast Raiden can cut down Excalibur with the Murasama. Excalibur’s ability kit is pretty basic with very little hax involved so imo Raiden has a pretty good chance to win.

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u/AGuyFromGPlus Jul 06 '22

Of course Armstrong can block it he has NANOMACHINES SON

Anyway according to the MGR:R Codec's Doktor states that btw I'm paraphrasing

"Theoretically a HF blade can damage anything no matter how tough, but certain things like carbon nanotubes don't split open like butter. You need to chip away at it first, before you can destroy it"

So imo the HF blades need a couple of swings before well- ya know cutting, depending on what substance of course. Is they're anything talking about whag exactly are Tenos made of? Thier suit or body and not the sheilds.