Character Scramble 16 Tribunal

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Featured Submissions

In an attempt to help aid the review process, we will be highlighting a section of the submissions each day to focus the lens on a group of submissions. Understand that these submissions aren’t being picked due to any reasoning or bias beyond their position on the list alphabetically, our goal is to help you focus on specific parts of the submission list each day in the hopes that characters that would normally pass under the radar are given proper scrutiny.

Here are the featured submissions for today.

The link will be changed each day until we’ve covered the entire submission roster or until Tribunal has ended.

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Here’s how this works.

For the next One and a Half Weeks, all characters are under review. If you think a character is not in tier, whether they be too weak, too strong, too nebulous, or somewhere in between, here is where you can air your grievances. We'll be going through all of the submissions during this time, all I ask is that you follow along and call what you see.

Tribunal will end in about 2 weeks, on Monday, August 29th, or when all cases are closed if that happens first.

To clarify, this deadline is subject to change if we decide that there are unresolved issues that warrant some more time. Don’t worry, we’re not going to spend the entire time arguing about Pyramid Head. If we get done early and there’s only a couple cases left a few days before Saturday, odds are good we’ll wrap those cases up and end Tribunal early. Every remaining case will be notified if that’s happening.

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• Create a comment with the name of the character in question, a link to that character sheet, and the username (with /u/ to notify them - /u/GuyOfEvil for instance) of the submitter. Then list what questions/problems you have with the character.

• Please be respectful when calling out characters, and remember that you are probably pointing out problems with someone's favorite character/series.

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• Please give a detailed complaint about each character a separate reply to make sure that conversations are organized. Quick thoughts on multiple characters in one post are fine as well as long as you keep each case clearly separated.

• Starting with the initial complaint post, each person involved gets five full posts to argue their point back and forth. If a decision is not reached by that point, judges must be called in to make a decision. If that happens, the person issuing the complaint and the person whose submission is being complained about both get one closing post to argue their case to the judges before they rule on the issue. We will allow a little lenience on this when a case involves several people arguing amongst each other as that’s difficult to manage with a limited number of posts, but if it starts to get really long-winded a GM will generally step in and force a vote.

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• First, realize this is not a personal attack. We're just trying to ensure that this tournament runs smoothly for everyone.

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If a character is ruled out of tier, you will have the opportunity to swap them with a character from the backup list. Here are some quick clarifications about that.

• Once you ping a GM (please ping /u/GuyOfEvil first, but myself or /u/OddDirective can also pass it on to him) with your backup swap of choice, they are now locked in. You are unable to pick a backup, then change your mind and pick a different one later.

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If you see a problem with the roster:

• Make a post and let us know. Odds are, you will have to resubmit the form with the correct info so if you want to just go ahead and do that and let Letter know to look for the new entry, that would save time.

• If your problem is that you don't show up in the list, it’s because you never filled out/submitted the form... just go ahead and do that NOW, assuming that you started your sign up process before this post was created. Here’s the form. If you need to make a change because you swapped things out, just make sure you’re signed into the same account you initially used and you’ll be able to update your form. Please let Letter know either on Reddit or on Discord if you do this. DO NOT CHANGE YOUR FORM IF YOU HAVE TO TAKE A BACKUP REPLACEMENT FOR ANOTHER CHARACTER. We’ll handle those swaps personally when Tribunal ends.

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Judges

In order to streamline the decision making process, we have selected a small panel of judges that will, along with the GMs help make decisions on characters where a resolution cannot be reached.

Please give it up for...

/u/TheMightyBox72, /u/Corvette1710, /u/Ultim8_Lifeform /u/Wapulatus

There were a lot of great applications this time around, so if you weren’t picked don’t feel too bummed out. It was pretty close between everyone.

Here's how the judge system works:

• If a submission is called out and all parties involved cannot agree as to whether the submission is in tier, ping any three of the judges.

• Once judges are being called in, the argument is effectively over. Both sides of the argument will be allowed to post a Closing Argument which sums up their stance, their argument thus far, and any other major notes they might not have been able to touch on just yet or counter-arguments that hadn’t been answered yet. Be complete on this, as this is your last chance to get your word in before the judges decide on the case and effectively close it.

• Three of the judges or GMs involved will then each make a statement on whether they think the character is or is not in tier and why. If they're able to come to a complete consensus, then that decision is made final. If a complete consensus is not made among the judges, then the resolution defaults to the majority decision. However, in this case, the decision can be appealed.

• To appeal a decision, respond to the post in which the statements are made explaining why you think the arguments made were wrong or inaccurate. After an appeal is made, the remaining two judges will step in and also vote. This vote out of 5 is effectively final. If the previous vote was 2-1 and the new vote is 2-3, them’s the breaks. This is also why an initial unanimous vote among 3 is final, as changing a 3-0 vote to a 3-2 vote doesn’t accomplish anything.

• If a final decision is made, then that decision is completely final. You cannot argue it further. If that means a character is in, they won't be brought back up again. If that means a character gets removed, your options are to choose the backup you want to replace them or let a GM choose instead. /u/GuyofEvil is in charge of the backup list, so ping him or have a judge ping him to get any backup swaps sorted out.

• To be clear, GMs can do whatever they want and don’t answer to you. If we want to take the place of a judge in a vote, we will. If we want to singularly decide on something, we will (note that this will be very rare and most likely only happen near the end of Tribunal to wrap things up or in cases where something is clearly un-submittable, such as a character from a literal porn series). If we say something needs to be removed for whatever reason, what we say goes. The judges will handle the majority of the Tribunal process, we’re just here to smite shit from the heavens. That takes work, though, so expect the judges to do more judging than us.

• If a GM takes the place of a judge in a vote, they’re effectively identical to a judge for that vote. That in mind, if the vote goes 2 to 1 and gets appealed, the remaining judges can still step in on the final 2-person vote.

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Veto & NSFW Opt-Out

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[u/Artemisia846 → u/[deleted]]

Excuse me, not a Nazi. A soldier of the "Autocratic East Europan Imperial Alliance" thank you very much. Coinflip German or Austro-Hungarian, the theories his hometown refers to Schwarzgrad are just theories. Either way, let's get down to business.

Personal Grievances.

I'm going to take a second to throw stones. This is not important to my core argument, but I'm not allowed to talk about it in the discord and I want to complain anyway. Pretty much both of Tads arguments are things that I was reassured was fine by people before submitting.

I showed off my mini RT and people said it was fine, so I didn't grab the like five different feats of a generic assault tank practically no selling the best weapons/grenades/mortars in the game if applied outside the radiator or feats like a tank of similar build being able to smash through a brick wall. If you want feats, the feats exist, I just used the tank to shorthand it, thinking that was enough because it had been a long day. Even if I used absolutely no gameplay, things like the specific armour type that was developed later in the war on the real life model it corresponds to AND MAKES REFERENCE TO IN THE IN GAME BIO is a feat in its own right. Finally, there are feats that I directly mention in the thing that I didn't really link because they weren't key to my argument. If it's a problem, give me like an hour and I can divide that tank into 5 combat related feats and hell, probably get the mini RT to like 15.

And furthermore, I'm calling out Tad personally on Twitter.com. I worked out my argument based on Tad telling me that it worked, and now I've got to defend a ship that I didn't even know was leaky. To the real arguments though.

Misconceptions

First thing to do is clear up what Tad got wrong. Tad was pretty comprehensive, but there were a few things that aren't a matter of interpretation, but just wrong.

-Walz inherently relies on knowledge of the Federation, he refers to them like an old lovers.
...I don't know what to tell you, that's just Walz. Walz had functionally half a battle with Claude before he started calling him his soulmate. It's just how Walz is. If over the course of half a battle Walz could pick up his tactics well enough to use that knowledge relevantly, that's a feat by itself.
-The Cloak is going to be a major problem.
At the time of writing, Walz has been given time to examine the RT videos, each of the three marines has grenades and the tank is equipped with a mortar. That cloaking device is going to be ribbons when Predatier tries to use it.
-The radiator is on the front.
Tad WTF this one literally requires you to look at a wiki page to get right. The only tank in the imperial army with a radiator on the front is the Vulcan, Walz's personal tank. I didn't give him the Vulcan because the Vulcan is fast, takes multiple shots from anti-tank weapons to its radiator and is unharmed by a giant cannon shooting it and has a machine gun that can meaningfully damage other tanks on par with an anti-tank cannon. I'm instead running an imperial assault tank, which has it at the back.

Interpretation

I'm going to be straight with you, you've done a wonderful job convincing me that the Predator will defeat a single tank, even if Walz was Lelouch meme tactics feat stacked. So I'm going to talk about this later. Instead I'm going to throw down the gauntlet on some charitable interpretations that I think should be appended.

-Superior forces in example 1. It really isn't. This was an army he's attacking. The soldier is panicking because of the size of the opposition relative to the position it's attacking from. In that period, it's never implied to be army vs army, it's elite forces vs the Federation army. In fact, it's almost a better feat for Walz that I tried to argue it, because he commanded a successful attack of inferior forces on a micro commander level, which is what you want for Predatier.

-Example 2 i can't really contest, it's more of a logistical feat than a micro one, you're right. However, it does show that Walz can adapt to unexpected developments using information he already has.

-Example 3 I'm calling bull. Let's say a spaceship suddenly appeared over the sky and fired a laser. What's going to go through the mind of the average commander? I can think of examples like "What's going on" "What is that thing" "How do I beat it?" Walz screams "Laser!" That ship did what was considered impossible without massive development time from the United States of Am- VINLAND military research budget. It was the first official deployment and was in this case as out of the realm of possibility as a flying saucer. Notably as well, it leads to more of his platoon retreating than there should have been. The tanks are already starting to retreat in response to his order, and the overall survival of the Ausbruch is confirmed in a later cutscene with Walz talking to Heinrich Belgar. This feat clearly shows decisive leadership in the face of the impossible, which is an important skill vs the Predator.

Tank driving. 10 minutes, an instruction manual and Walz giving instructions on the fly should be at least decent. Being able to ask a professional tank driver who strategises mainly with tanks, was trained to use tanks, worked his way up the ranks so was likely at one point a crew on a Tank... Kind of a good resource. Saying that, this is more something for the part 2.

Adaption.

Well now that you've blindsided me, I want your advice on what makes the sub in tier tank wise. While I've been writing this, I've been thinking up some options. I kept all these locked because I was worried he'd be too HIGH for tier, so god knows I may as well pull them out.

• More Tanks
• Better Tanks
• Weapon Triangle (Anti-Tank Lances)

Some combination of this should fix up Walz.

More Tanks. Unlike the other VC sub I was considering, Walz has the benefit of the X-0 Imperial Research Budget. If need be, I could extend the tank trained stip to all four of them and have christmas come early with up to 4 tanks. He can easily do it, and adding more tanks will help mitigate these weaknesses. I also might consider trading the RT videos for Walz personally helping them get their shit together in that 10 minutes, making them way more ready to fight Predatier.

Better tanks. I locked off the anti-tank cannon because it's going to one-shot Predatier. If Predatier can close the gap so quickly, maybe that isn't needed.

Anti-Tank Lances. Walz's research budget isn't just dedicated to tanks, you know? Unlike Fire Emblem, these lances are anti-tank shells packed into a launcher carryable by a strong human. Walz can arm the marines with this. It's inaccurate, but it's also probably going to one-shot so it's dangerous.

Some combination of these should get Walz in tier. In the spirit of Tribunal, I'd like to request your help in working out where the line is. After all, you clearly have a far better idea of how a tank can perform vs the Predator than I do.

[u/GuyOfEvil → u/[deleted]]

/u/Artemisia846 you get a final response and then please ping 3 judges when you post it

[u/Artemisia846 → u/GuyOfEvil]

Look I lost. I think there's a line, but I was counting on more experienced people to help me figure it out and it's clear that Tad just wants the sub dead. I'll switch my reaper to... How long do I have to switch? If I don't have to choose straight away, I'll wait to see if anyone picks one of my two backup preferences first.

[u/GuyOfEvil → u/Artemisia846]

take as long as you like, but also feel free to send the case to judges if you want it looked over

[u/Artemisia846 → u/[deleted]]

Nah, that's a good answer. I'm content with that, things line up better now. I see why you're making the call out you are.

I'll take a stab at making an argument though. I was disheartened earlier, some pieces are starting to click.

I do wish we were going longer, because I have more arguments to make that I want to hear your response to.

1: Different Information.I should note that despite the real historical tanks being 4 people crewed, VC Tanks are very clearly controlled by one person, since every single model we see the internal workings of is crewed by a driver only and very very rarely has a commanding officer inside, (Unless they are the driver, in the case of Walz and certain other commanding officers throughout the series.(While there could be an argument to be made that we only see the driver and not the rest of the crew, as characters, this is backed up by Ronald Albee being one of two survivors of Walz's massacre of Squad F, and still driving his tank to the end. If Albee was part of a crew, the Glory would not still be operational.)) It's clearly done for purposes of anime to make the tank drivers have more room to be characters, but it's another element where these tanks are inspired by, not directly lifted. I should have clarified this, I don't know enough about the workings of real life tanks to realise I had to.

That's why my initial stip was that ONE of the Marines is tank trained. And note, this stip is incredibly important because it means they're not just familiar with tanks, they've taken a course on a different model. Perhaps multiple. I've consistently been working off that assumption and that the other three marines are outside. With that in mind, the other marines are free to use anti-tank lances or if needed, other tanks with modifications to the stips.

2: Anti-Tank Lances. These things are inaccurate and need to hit a moving target, but it's cover fire that provides far more of a real threat to the Predator and turns the marines from dead weight into powerhouses on one lucky shot. If Predator gap closes like Tad says he would, these go from inaccurate lucky shots to things that will only be missed by an act of god. These force Predatier to bide his time.

3: Training. Obviously a problem is that the tank driver has 10 minutes, an instruction manual and a dream to get familiar. While I believe that the familiarity that they would have with tanks having received a tank training course in the past as per the stip would help, but Walz is going to put that over the line. He doesn't have to educate them from scratch, but when they ask how to fire the mortar etc, he should be able to massively speed up the prompt. This works better if there are more tanks, but even just helping Marine 1 translate his course into the other tank even better is going to be helpful. Walz will also be able to help advise his crew on the use of the Anti-Tank lances, which serve as an alt wincon for him. Obviously they're very point and shoot, but Walz has worked with professional Lancers and can probably give them some tips to increase accuracy.

In the battle, the cloaking device becomes a problem, but Predator is being attacked with explosive weaponry. Some stray hits might take it out, and the soldiers have a better chance of tracking it by virtue of their numbers. Sadly, this is more reliant on a lucky shot if the cloaking device stays on because it doesn't take a genius to work out that the blue glowing weak spot is bad, and he will one-shot the tank. Maybe multiple if I go that route.

Either way, I think that Predator is essentially facing an army armed to the gills with anti-tank explosives and actual tanks. I don't feel comfortable locking together an actual powerset without advice, but I'd appreciate some advice somewhere in the range of giving up to 3 soldiers anti-tank lances and up to three soldiers tanks.

I'd expand my stip to give all the soldiers tank training and go 2/2 without further advice, but if you think that some other combination would leave Walz in tier, I'm happy to switch to that. If Tad is allowed to respond I'd love to continue, but he called judges and I don't know if I'm allowed to ask for one more after that, this is my first tribunal. If the answer is no, please get Box, Corv and Dargoo for me.

(Quick Edit, if the OOT is because of the mini RT, I'll fix it up if Walz ends up in tier. I just really don't want to have to spend 1-2 hours fixing it up only to get told he's OOT.)(Quick Edit 2.)Point 4. Paper Tiger. Even if the tanks aren't well controlled, they serve as a paper tiger that Predatier might overconcentrate on. If the soldiers at minimum get an understanding of the weapons of the tanks, it creates a problem that Predatier will think it needs to solve, because two humans in tanks with tank grade weaponry seems terrifying. This might throw off his tactics when dealing with the other two marines, that look like far less of a threat, but have anti-tank lances that will one shot if they land an inaccurate hit.

[u/corvette1710 → u/[deleted]]

Tank You Very Much

I guess I'll get into where I fall on the claims made in this argument first and then talk about their implications for the character's tier status.

I am willing to buy, at least partially and in some cases wholly for purposes related to charitability, that the tank or Klaus:

• 1) Can be piloted by one person (and that person spawns in the tank)
• 2) Is able to be piloted by that one person
• 3) Has weapons for the marines that are dangerous or at least disruptive to the Predator
• 4) (pursuant to 3) Can't instantly have the tank fucked with and incapped by Predator and stops him from mincing the Marines

and i guess

• 5) There exist some other feats that would put Klaus at or above 5 tier-relevant feats

Conversely, Tad also pretty clearly evidenced

• 1) Klaus has to pick between observing Predator (something that would be very useful in fighting it) and teaching one Marine how to use this particular tank
• 2) Klaus does not have 5 feats in his Mini-RT, which is kind of important, otherwise how do you know what he can do at all
• 3) Regular infantry are totally capable of entering a tank's range without getting blown away and fucking with its operations
• 4) Tanks have a ton of problems engaging a single target like Predator, especially as Predator is superhuman in a number of relevant aspects including movement speed and agility
• 5) This particular tank has a glowing weakness in some location, front or back, that the Predator will be aware of

Now on to what that actually means for the fight.

Predator, wholly privy to the existence of the tanks and weaponry, probably instantly fucks off. Whether or not it gets clipped and his cloaking device damaged by an explosion, it is not rushing three guys with explosive weaponry from like 40ft, that would be suicidal. With or without its cloaking device damaged, I don't think it makes a huge difference in the fight, honestly.

But the question becomes, "What the hell can the Marines do now that the Predator has exited their lines of sight?"

And I think the answer might be nothing. Predator's weaponry seems able to damage the tank broadly, it knows where to shoot the tank to make it break fastest, and none of the Marines can trap it or funnel it in the time-frame that Predator can tear apart the whole team of Marines in a situation where it is fully authorized by its honor code to use the Plasma Caster and all other weaponry.

Beyond this the tank is itself not particularly useful in defeating the Predator. It isn't an anti-personnel weapon, there doesn't seem to be any indication that it would be able to track Predator (either generally or in the sense of aiming at it) if it were to, say, circle around it at the beginning and shoot it with the Plasma Caster or break into it with its other weapons which per tier language can damage materials like steel that the tank might presumably be made from (actually to my knowledge most tanks are primarily aluminum because it's much lighter than steel, but I digress).

And if the Predator jumps onto the tank, what are the Marines' game plans then? They're holding anti-tank weaponry and their target is on top of their tank. They have to switch away from weapons they aren't trained to use in order to hit an enemy that by the point they know where it is it can have killed them two or three different ways from a distance before it even engages or has to engage the tank.

Overall Klaus and his weapons seem not to help the Marines a huge amount against the Predator given its informational, technological, and physical advantages, and the mutual exclusivity of Klaus matching that informational advantage or otherwise preparing his team of Marines to fight an enemy whose capabilities are likely beyond Klaus's wildest possible estimation is a nail in the coffin.

Verdict: Not In-Tier

[u/Wapulatus → u/[deleted]]

SCP-516 - Intelligent Tank

So this is an extremely simple discussion of like three tangible points that is bloated out way more than I think necessary. It basically boils down to:

• Do the marines know how to use a tank
• If they do no know how to use a tank can they be taught/shown in < 10 minutes
• Is a tank/anti-tank lance useful vs. Predator

There is some ambiguity on the first point, most of what I asked around for people who know marines and the tier designers is "probably not". I don't think this being yes or no actually changes my judgement.

To answer the second, I don't think 10 minutes is enough time to train someone who doesn't know how to use a tank how to use a tank. I also do not think stipulating tiersetter match terms like what the Marines are privy to is valid.

The answer the third, tanks are not really anti-personnel weapons, especially when in tight terrain like Nuketown vs. an opponent with a weapon that could feasibly get into a tank with repeated shots, with mobility that could feasibly just let it get onto the tank and just not be threatened once on it. Like what is a tank gonna do to Predator once it is on top of it. This also goes for the anti-tank rockets, they are too unweildy to be of any benefit to someone running around at normal speed, ignoring Predator's invisibility.

And that's it. I don't think Klaus provides enough benefits with his provided weapons. I don't think his tactics are meaningful either.

Verdict: Not In-Tier

[u/Artemisia846 → u/[deleted]]

See this is why I wanted more time, I could have provided loads of evidence about that when you asked. There are like at minimum 3 different tank models that clearly in story have only one person and these are the ones that I know about from playing VC1 and 4, like the Edelweiss being driven by Isara alone during chapter 2? It's somewhere in chapter 1-3, there being canonically two survivors of the squad F massacre in Minerva and Albee but Ronald Albee still driving the tank, Miles Arbeck being the only referenced member of the tank squad for the Hafen.

The wiki page for the Edelweiss states directly that "Either there is an unknown third crew member or Isara is also firing the gun" in reference to a line in chapter 7 . It was physically impossible for there to have been a third gunner, as the tank performs identically in chapter 7 and chapter 1-3, and Isara was stated by the story to be the only person in the tank in the story unless you believe that the pregnant woman with no tank training about to give birth was firing the gun.

Ronald Albee cannot be dismissed either. There are two people still alive after the Squad F massacre, this is like an indisputable plot point. There is no cheating or take backs. Ronald Albee is still capable of driving and fully operating the tank.

While Miles can be explained away by suspension of disbelief for the invisible tank crew, his existence is still important because of the phantom tank crew. In fact I've scoured the wiki pages for every single tank in the entire series and all of them except the two literal battleship class tanks have one named crew member tops.

With these two clear examples of a tank crewed by one person and no counterevidence present amongst any other tank in the series, logic should dictate that unless the WWII German E-50 Panzer project or the Panzer-II can be easily crewed by one person, Valkyria tanks are simply built different to accomodate for the anime of it all. You know, like you can guess from the huge blue ragnite radiator on the back that acts as a glowing weak spot that can blow up the tank and has not been seen on any model that the tanks are based on.

[u/Artemisia846 → u/Artemisia846]

Ah well, I tried. I'll probably sub the Vulcan with Klaus as a player to a higher tier, thing got some messed up feats. With that in mind, I'm going to wait to see how other people do their backups before I choose mine. If I don't submit on time, you can flip a coin to decide Kyubey, Monokuma or Dovin Baan.