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u/LetterSequence ​ Aug 18 '22

/u/Mattdoss

Ermes Costello

I'm going back and forth on this a little bit, but I figured I'd call it out.

I don't think the stickers are that great of a "buff," and may actually be a hindrance to the marines rather than a benefit. Ignoring that she doesn't exactly hand out the stickers like candy on Halloween, the stickers would provide prep time to set up, or would require the Marines to pretty much die to use effectively.

Assuming Ermes uses her time with the Marines to set up traps with the stickers, it'd require them to actually catch Predator in the traps. I think it'd be fairly difficult for the Marines to, let's say, attempt to lure Predator in between two cars placed right next to each other, to trap him. If he goes around the cars, or ignores them entirely, the trap doesn't exactly work. Ermes isn't exactly the type to think of deep plans, the only time she's done something like this was to pin someone using a mop they were already holding.

The other use for the stickers are either placing it on Predator's weapons to break them, or placing them on Predator to damage him. These are effective methods of damage output, but the main issue is that the Marines will have to get extremely close to Predator to place the sticker, then they'll have to react fast enough to remove the sticker from wherever they placed it. If a Marine attempts to do this, odds are they're going to just die.

At the moment, I don't really think Ermes is a great reaper choice.

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u/Mattdoss ​ Aug 20 '22 edited Aug 20 '22

Ratiod

Alright, I apologize for not replying sooner. Let me address your concerns.

First, I think the Kiss stickers are a good buff and a benefit to any team that gets it. The stickers are very versatile and can be used to the benefit of any team that is not brain dead to say the least. The stickers can be used in three main ways: Increasing armaments, setting traps, or directly injuring the Predator through snapback. Although increasing armaments like doubling the grenades and ammo can be useful in different scenarios, it is the other two that really shine against the Predator. Besides that, I do not see why Ermes would not willingly give out multiple stickers to the marines, especially when her focus is on her own survival. She'll give out dozens of stickers if it meant the marines winning and her not being erased.

In my write up, I had marines die and the car trap as just artistic representation of how a cool fight would play out. There are dozens of other ways in which the marines could have defeated the Predator using Ermes help with more or less the same amount of marines remaining.

Personally, I think this argument is particularly bad.

I think it'd be fairly difficult for the Marines to, let's say, attempt to lure Predator in between two cars placed right next to each other, to trap him. If he goes around the cars, or ignores them entirely, the trap doesn't exactly work.

Even if the car is not necessary for the plan of taking out the Predator, why would the Predator deviate from the path of the least resistance? The Predator has been shown to walk into traps often enough to make it believable. Predators have been walking into clear traps since the 1700s. With no knowledge of what Ermes' stickers are capable of, it would have no reason to think something was up, especially in unfamiliar terrain. I also wouldn't say making a trap where two big objects slam against each other would be a stretch of the imagination for Ermes. Especially since she came up with more elaborate traps in the past.

As for the the second criticism, I think that is fair. It certainly wouldn't be in the marines best interest to die, but also they are trained soldiers trying to take down the Predator and they know the risk of fighting it. It wouldn't be a stretch for a marine to sacrifice themselves to do meaningful damage to the Predator in order to save their allies. However, you are correct in the idea that is not a winning strategy. I think this would be more effective strategy for matchups that are closer to each other in tier like a Predator-tier vs. Predator. However, if a marine does stick a sticker upon the Predator, then this provides a benefit regardless of if they get the sticker off in time or not. Once the sticker is on, the Predator will be momentarily confused by suddenly growing a new limb, then this will give the other marines opportunity to shoot the sticker and cause the Predate a lot of damage. The Predator might even think the sticker is a type of weapon itself that is messing with his biology, which will cause it to injure itself too. This can go down differently in a number of different scenarios. Plus, if a sticker is applied to Predator, then it will render his invisibility useless as the marines will be able to locate the Predator by the sticker.

Overall, I think Ermes is a decent choice for Reaper. She might not be "great," but I think she is a good enough character to write and one with a versatile power that can lead to clever writing. I wouldn't be mad if she was my reaper and I'd have a lot of fun writing her.

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u/LetterSequence ​ Aug 21 '22

I guess I should clarify some stuff.

It's not that I don't think Ermes would give out her stickers, as she does on occasion, it's that it seems weird for her benefit to be that she stands back and just dumps as many stickers as the Marines need on them, since the usual way she fights is up close and personal, occasionally giving out one or two stickers to her allies to help them defeat an enemy if needed. Yes, if put in the exact scenario of this role where she can't fight and can only hand out stickers, she would probably give out a bunch of stickers, but it's weird for her to be here in the first place.

I will concede on the trap point, as I suppose Predator's get trapped fairly often.

I think my main issue essentially boils down to, aside from the specific scenario of trapping the Predator in between something, I don't think the stickers help much in this scenario. Double weapons aren't too useful, aside from grenades, but grenades are not immediately fatal.

Sticking a sticker on Predator is something that will only happen once. A Marine will need to get in range of Predator to put it on, at which point they are extremely likely to die. From there, with only three Marines, they have a pretty big issue in front of them. If they shoot the sticker off (which I'm not sure actually works?) they deal some good damage to Predator, and then are back to their original situation with only three Marines, and a Predator who is liable to shoot at them with their better weapons or turn invisible, at which point the Marines basically lose.

If they keep the sticker on to track him while invisible, well they're still in a similar position, except they didn't actually hurt Predator. Because he's invisible, they're gonna have a really hard time actually hitting anything that would hurt him, considering they can't see him.

Like I said, my main issue is that for anything substantial to happen with the stickers, the Marines are basically gonna die accomplishing it, and they have pretty limited numbers, so I'm not sure it's too helpful.

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u/GuyOfEvil ​ Aug 25 '22

/u/Mattdoss This has gone 4 days without a reply, do you have anything else you want to say, or will you drop the character/send it to judges

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u/Mattdoss ​ Aug 25 '22

I have more I want to say but I got busy and forgot. Hectic week. I’ll write out my response once I get home.

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u/Mattdoss ​ Aug 25 '22

I apologize for the wait. It's been a wacky week.

I will address your points clear and concise, so I can clear up any doubt over Ermes. So please bare with me as I explain.

It's not that I don't think Ermes would give out her stickers, as she does on occasion, it's that it seems weird for her benefit to be that she stands back and just dumps as many stickers as the Marines need on them, since the usual way she fights is up close and personal, occasionally giving out one or two stickers to her allies to help them defeat an enemy if needed.

This is not an issue with the character, but more so the issue with the tier itself. I am sure the majority of reapers that are being submitted are not used to having little participation in a battle beyond giving hand outs and advice. However, this will suffice for Ermes who fights in two ways. The first way is her head first assault on her enemy, which is her usual first approach as you mention. However, when that doesn't work, Ermes is known to take a step back and plan out their attack with allies as shown by her and Jolyne fighting Foo Fight. Although you feel weird about it, this isn't an issue on if the character is in tier or not.

Yes, if put in the exact scenario of this role where she can't fight and can only hand out stickers, she would probably give out a bunch of stickers, but it's weird for her to be here in the first place.

Secondly, yeah it is weird for her to be in this place, since Scramble is a very strange place for most characters. However, Ermes is capable of adapting extraordinarily well. For example, Ermes lived a rather normal life before she received her Stand in Green Dolphin Prison. Once she got her stand, she immediately adapted and started using her powers to her benefit as seen when she instantly came up with a trap for McQueen. Ermes is capable of taking on the weird and role with it, even if it means adapting to weird situations like the Reaper Game in order to survive. I also really don't think this point as any value to the discussion on if she is in tier.

I think my main issue essentially boils down to, aside from the specific scenario of trapping the Predator in between something, I don't think the stickers help much in this scenario. Double weapons aren't too useful, aside from grenades, but grenades are not immediately fatal.

I agree with you to a degree. Due to the unique qualities of the Predator and the limitations of the prompt, Kiss certainly has a lot less benefits to it than it would in a number of other scenarios. However, I believe it provides enough benefits when used wisely to help a lower tier defeat the Predator. Against any team, the surplus of firepower would be an amazing boon and boosting the physical poweress of a character in the Predator's tier would be even more useful. The stickers are meant to be used in creative fashions. Besides the car trick, they could have put a sticker on the side of the bus, which would have caused a second bus to appear, then take the sticker off to cause the bus' to crash together and fall over on top of the Predator. Kiss can be used in a few different ways to defeat the Predator beyond just the stuck between objects method, but it is limited due to this particular circumstance.

Sticking a sticker on Predator is something that will only happen once. A Marine will need to get in range of Predator to put it on, at which point they are extremely likely to die. From there, with only three Marines, they have a pretty big issue in front of them. If they shoot the sticker off (which I'm not sure actually works?) they deal some good damage to Predator, and then are back to their original situation with only three Marines, and a Predator who is liable to shoot at them with their better weapons or turn invisible, at which point the Marines basically lose

I chose the marines specifically because they would be a more in-character choice for Ermes to pick, but a character that is fast and agile like Agent Galahad would have no problem getting in on the Predator, sticking them, and getting away. Also it has been shown that destroying the sticker causes the ability to stop, so no need to worry about that.

There is also the extreme method of them dumping stickers on the Predator, which is certainly a strategy (albeit a weird one). Since they don't really need to place the sticker on him, but if the sticker attaches to him regardless of circumstance then it still works. There are plenty of choke points on the map where this strategy can be used.

I think you are getting to hooked up on the the sticking Predator strategy, which I didn't use in my Write Up for that reason. It is an extremely risky strategy that Ermes and the Marines wouldn't do unless they had no other choice. At that point, they were already likely to lose a Marine if things came to that, so a Marine using the sticker on the Predator is an added bonus instead of the way to victory. It also depends on where the sticker is applied to the Predator, because the Predator is going to have a lot of trouble getting around if the sticker is applied to either its legs or spine. Either it will lose mobility in one leg or become paralyzed, which is worth a single marine.

But I digress.

Like I said, my main issue is that for anything substantial to happen with the stickers, the Marines are basically gonna die accomplishing it, and they have pretty limited numbers, so I'm not sure it's too helpful.

I think your concerns are valid and you made a lot of good points, but I don't think any of these issues are really disqualifying when it comes to Ermes being in tier. She clearly provides a boon to her team, even if not all of her support works on Predator specifically, and she gives the Marines the capability of killing the Predator when they did not have one before. Also, last time I checked, there is no rule about losing a marine or two. That is to say, no marines necessarily need to die in order for them to win, so it is very possible for Ermes to get out with the entire team. Furthermore, Marines are skilled and all, but they are still below Galahad tier in capabilities, so losing one or two would not equate to a Reaper losing their entire team of Galahad/Predator characters.

I just don't see any of these as major issues that would prevent Ermes from being submitted. She meets the bill for a reaper, even if you have some issues with her.

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u/LetterSequence ​ Aug 27 '22 edited Aug 27 '22

Tribunal is wrapping up soon, so I'll summarize my points and ask you to ping judges with a closing statement since I'm not really convinced.

  • Ermes as a Reaper is weird because of her role in the story and how she ordinarily fights being incongruent with how she'd function in this setting. A character who occasionally provides one or two stickers to help in a fight with her friends is being placed in a setting where she sits back and barks out orders while giving out as many stickers as her team needs. This has nothing to do with her tiering, but it still feels strange to me.

  • The stickers provide three primary benefits: Allowing the Marines to set up traps, increasing their weaponry, and if needed, a viable weapon to harm Predator

Weapons

  • Increasing their weapons isn't too useful in this scenario, except for the fringe case of giving them more grenades to work with, and some more ammunition.

  • The Military Soldiers don't benefit from having two guns, or an extra set of arms of legs. Someone in the submission pool might, but it doesn't really help here.

Traps

  • NukeTown doesn't have too many opportunities to create traps to ensnare the Predator, and there is no guarantee he falls into those traps. The best option is to pin Predator in between two cars that are crushed together and just start shooting him a lot.

    • If the bus trick as suggested is employed, I'm pretty sure that just instantly kills Predator, which would likely make it too strong. There's nothing in the RT to suggest Predator wouldn't just instantly die if crushed by a bus.

Damage Dealing

  • The Marines could be able to stick a sticker on Predator and rip it off to deal damage. However, the act of putting on a sticker will likely lead to a Marine dying.

    • While the Marines don't all need to survive to win the prompt, having less Marines makes fighting more difficult in the long term. If a Marine sticks a sticker, dies, then the sticker is destroyed via some means, you've sacrificed someone to deal one hit to Predator.
    • I'll also state that I don't think the stickers will really help at all in the case of tracking Predator when he's invisible. The sticker might be hot pink, but it is one sticker, which is pretty hard to keep an eye on in a life or death situation.

  • The stickers will be too difficult to place on more immediately fatal areas, like Predator's head, or his weapons, as Predator is much larger than a human and he'll likely kill a Marine if they reach for his weapon.

I will concede that you might be better off tiering with Galahad instead of the 4 Marines, but I still think the stickers are too difficult to use in an effective manner for the tiersetter fight, as they place the user at an immense risk of just straight up dying to Predator to use on him, or require having to set up an elaborate scenario that only has a chance of working. I can see Ermes fitting in as an Unlikely Victory scenario, but because you need to bring the fight up to a Draw or a Likely Victory, I don't think she really fits.

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u/Mattdoss ​ Aug 27 '22 edited Aug 27 '22

I've said it once and I'll say it again; I don't think these are good enough reasons to disqualify Ermes just because you don't feel confident about her.

  • It is not productive in a Tribunal about tiering to get harped up on the fact that you don't like the scenario where the character is in. This is the same situation for every single other character being submitted where they must adapt to the strange situation that they find themselves in. I have demonstrated that Ermes would be able to adapt to meet the neat, so this is a non-issue.

Weapons

  • Granted, I don't think doubling their arsenal is extremely helpful against Predator. However, it still has its uses in the fact that grenades can hurt the Predator to a degree and now they have several that they can use. Doubling the ammo also allows them to use suppression fire against the Predator, especially if they turn invisible. Predator's invisibility begins to fade when they are hit by bullets, so it will allow the marines to locate him if any bullets from their surplus of ammo hits.

  • Technically, giving the marines more guns and ammo can be useful as it will allow them to shoot multiple guns at the same time. But like you said, it is not as useful against the Predator as it would be in other cases that would happen throughout Scramble.

Traps

  • The first thing I wanted to point out is that I think you are wrong about your assumption of Nuke Town. If you are a Epic Gamer like me, then you would know that Nuke Town is full of objects, choke points, and other devices that can be used to make traps against the Predator. From the swing sets, the stairways, the many cars, and they could even hit the big guy with the cooking grill. The marines and Ermes have the home field advantage here because Nuke Town will be a familiar America town to them, while it is completely foreign to the Predator.

  • I find it strange that you keep harping on about Ermes being in character, but neglect the character of the Predator. You've already admitted yourself that the Predator stumbles into traps all the time from marines to a young Indian woman that barely understood their technology. If the Predator has no clue that there is a trap, due to no knowledge of Kiss, then it will have no idea to avoid the trap. I guess there is always a chance that the Predator will avoid a trap, but there is also the chance that it twists it ankle doing so and now the marines have an advantage. I think this is a weak argument.

    • As for the bus trick, I think it is just one of many that could potentially kill or badly injure Predator. Potentially, the Predator could survive through the window of the bus (getting badly injured in the process) or gets his lower half sandwiched under the bus as he attempts to flee. It is not a necessary kill, but it is likely to fuck him up.

Damage Dealing

  • I still don't think putting a sticker on the Predator is necessary in order to win, as I have told you multiple times. However:

    • Putting a sticker on the Predator will likely to far more damage than you anticipate. If it is put on either an arm or a leg, the Predator is likely going to have that limb become useless for the remainder of the fight as shown by the impact it caused Foo Fighter's arm.
    • Once injured, the wound the Predator suffered will likely be bleeding pretty heavily. Forget Hot Pink, this guy is going to be Neon Green. They will be able to spot him dripping blood with the greatest of ease. Also the Predator can't just leave the fight to fix his wounds, so it reduces his camouflage immensely.
    • If a marine is capable of applying a sticker to either leg of the Predator, then his mobility falls flat and once again they benefit from his glowing blood.

Even if the marines used the sticker technique against the Predator, and I believe they don't need to, they still have a variety of benefits from sticking the Predator at least once that can really change the entire game in the favor of the marines.

I think if I went with Galahad this would have been an easier discussion. Someone skillful like him could use these stickers much more effectively than a few random marines. However, I believe I have demonstrated several times throughout this discussion that the stickers can be extremely useful to the marines or any person with training. They give four people that had no shot at defeat the Predator the ability to hurt him, counter some of his abilities, and even outright kill them in certain situations. Even if they lose one or two marines, Ermes and her team will win against the Predator unless they make some really bad misplays. Even if you may not like it, Ermes meets the qualifications for the tier and will make for a useful Reaper. This is why I feel like this ends up in a Draw instead of an Unlikely Victory.

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u/LetterSequence ​ Aug 27 '22

/u/themightybox72 /u/wapulatus /u/ultim8_lifeform

Start of Ermes discussion

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u/Wapulatus ​ Aug 27 '22

SCP-248: 110% 200%

Ermes can do a surprisingly large amount of things with her stickers given that they get into the hands of people who can use them. To go through the discussed uses one by one.

Doubling Ammo/Equipment

Eh. This is theoretically useful, doubling a rifle so that it shoots out of two barrels instead of one to give it more spread is good - but I don't think it changes the odds of the fight.

Doubling grenades and ammunition stocks is not particularly useful. The map is too small for a very extensive fight were things like ammo are an issue, Predator is likely dropping on the marines before they even go through their ammunition once.

Traps

This is definitely something I could see happening to an opponent, she's set up stuff like this so I could see her doubling traffic barriers or cars, etc and then having the soldiers shoot off the stickers on a cue.

There's two issues I see with this:

  • Catching Predator between two objects is unfathomably hard. It would either require luring it with a marine that is guarenteed to die, or catching it randomly as it chases the marines. This is compounded by the fact that Predator would be invisible some of the time in the fight.
  • I don't think it would be easy to do this with larger objects like cars. If she duplicates a car, I don't really know how much distance there is going to be between one car and the duplicate, if it's too small to reasonably catch Predator in the middle, the marines are not moving any cars anytime soon.

Direct Attacks

I feel like this would be toeing the line with Hermes directly attacking the Predator but if the stickers are just viewed as gear she loans the marines it is still borderline impossible to get a sticker on Predator.

  • A marine would need to close distance to touch Predator before getting shot, stabbed, smart-disced, etc.
  • The marine would undoubtedly die after doing this, thinning numbers.
  • The sticker would need to then be shot off of a now more-cautious Predator that would likely disengage, go invisible, and start sniping.

All for an attack that is not guaranteed to do lethal damage to Predator. It sounds really bad to me.

Summary

While Hermes provides a lot, all that she provides requires too much setup to be useful for the Marines and doesn't solve some of the core problems they face.

Verdict: Not In-Tier

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u/GuyOfEvil ​ Aug 27 '22

Ermes Costello

Jojo's Bizarre Adventure

What more must I say?

So starting off, I am mostly going to be considering Galahad for tiering purposes, for a reason that I think ties into Eremes' main issue as a manager.

She gives out stickers, can maybe set up doubling the marines ammo and grenades, and then the character and her spawn across from one another in the open.

I do not think the equipment doubling is crazy useful, so I won't really be considering it. The main thing to look at is the stickers as traps and as a melee attack.

The main problem with both is that both sides spawn in the open across from one another. This is I think a huge issue with the traps as a strategy. Either Predator will see them double something like the bus, or they'll have to run away, the Predator will have to fiddle around, and then they can set up traps. I think it's really unlikely there becomes a large window where they can start doing traps without getting gone on by a Predator in stealth or shot at from afar. I don't think it'll be relevant ever.

Which leaves the sticker as a melee attack, which is why I'm mostly considering Galahad here. The marines cannot really exist in melee with the Predator. If they try and use this, they'll just get shot, stabbed, thrown, etc. They are not going to be able to put a sticker on the Predator and then remove it. Galahad is capable of existing in melee range of Predator, and can therefore get this off.

The question then is just a manner of effectiveness, which I think is really hard to judge. It knocks out a guy when placed on his head, and destroys the arm of a plankton creature. So it's really hard to say what it would actually do to the Predator, especially if it was put on her chest or something, but my feeling is probably that it's too binary, either she is providing a relatively easy one shot option, or she is providing something that is not much better than like, a hit Galahad can deliver to the head (he can def strike hard enough to knock out a person with a blow to the head, and Predator can def take that)

So I think overall it is my feeling that her benefits are too niche, vague, or if not that potentially overpowered, so I am leaning towards Not In-Tier

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u/Ultim8_Lifeform ​ Aug 28 '22 edited Aug 28 '22

This one's tough for me, because I can definitely see a situation where the marines or Galahad use the Kiss stickers to trap Predator between some buses or something, but it'll be difficult.

Starting off, I don't thing the fact that Ermes usually fights up close and personal really matters for our purposes as she has been shown to give out her stickers before. I don't think "assume she sticks to the reaper role that she's been assigned to" is that much of a stretch.

Now, let's move on to the stickers' applications.

Doubling Weapons/Ammunition: I don't see this helping a whole lot. I feel that duel wielding their rifles only cause them to be less accurate and the same applies if its one gun that's split off in two directions. Doubling ammo and grenades are both ehh as well since I don't think them running out of ammo has ever been a concern for their in tierness.

Damage Dealing: I feel like anyone that attempts to stick a sticker onto Predator has an extremely high chance of dying and a mid to low chance of actually pulling off the maneuver. And from there the others will need to shoot the sticker off which would likely be difficult depending on where its stuck. This could maybe do something but its hardly a reliable means of turning the tide of the battle.

Traps: I'll admit that duplicating buses and then attempting to crush Predator is a valid win condition for the marines. As had been stated Predator is extremely prone to rushing into traps set by inferior foes so its not impossible that they manage to lure Predator between the duplicates and crush him. At the same time however, they would need to duplicate whatever they're using after the battle has begun so Predator would see the duplicate form. I reckon this would cause him to be far more weary of the attack and thus l be less likely to be caught in it.

Conclusion: The marines' strongest means of harming the Predator is something it would be aware and weary of, which doesn't make it impossible to trap the Predator but it makes it a damn bit harder. The advantage of doubling their own weapons is low to negligible and dealing damage by sticking Predator directly is far more likely to get them killed than it is to effectively combat the Predator.

I think Ermes' assistance would elevate the marines from an unlikely victory to a slightly less unlikely victory, but I don't think it would be enough to push them to a draw unfortunately.

Ermes Costello is

Out of Tier

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u/LetterSequence ​ Aug 28 '22

/u/Mattdoss

Hermes has been ruled out 0-3, please choose a backup to replace her

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u/Mattdoss ​ Aug 28 '22

/u/GuyOfEvil

I'm replacing Ermes with Komachi Onozuka. Please and thank you.

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u/GuyOfEvil ​ Aug 28 '22

invoking the name of a touhou in my presence...

just kidding i think this character is probably in tier, the change will be made

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