The Captier America Tournament: Round 1

[u/IAmNotAChinaboo]

BRACKETS HERE

• Anticipate the tournament lasting four rounds total.
• Round 1: 3v3, Round 2: 1v1s, Round 3: 3v3, Finals: 4v4.
• We heavily recommend writing parts of your initial rounds in advance to help with time constraints.

What To Do Now:

• Discuss with your opponent who will post first.

• After your initial response (or your opponents) is posted, alternate posting responses until the end of the round, or until you have both posted 3 times. If debater A posted a response first, Debater B would post next, followed by A, followed by B. Take turns, not that complicated.

• First responses must be posted within 48 hours and each response after is due 36 hours after the last

• All responses must be no more than 25K characters

Other Information

• If you believe your opponent has argued their character as out of tier, post an OOT request no longer than 10K characters alongside your response (this does not count out of your total characters and is evaluated separately from the match itself, not an admission of loss). Your opponent receives a single chance of equal character count to defend their in tier status.
• Other questions can be submitted to the judges via reddit or discord.

Links

• Hype Post
• Sign Ups

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[u/feminist-horsebane]

Introduction

At this point, both Hoboman and myself have outlined our win conditions. Mine are clear, easily executed, and consistent:

• Because my team can generate high grade piercing, concussive force, and heat at the start of the match in wide areas, Hoboman's is unlikely to survive the opening moments due to a lack of relevant resistances or the ability to meaningfully evade in time.
• Because my team has strong defensive options, have better showings for their speed, and can continue to generate multiple win conditions in melee, Hoboman's would similarly not last long in a melee fight.
• Because my ranged win conditions will come first, even if your team makes it into melee range, it is likely with damaged and missing party members. And if that fight proves disadvantageous for my team still, my team can re-establish distance.

The same win conditions I have had the entire round are still applicable, and no feats I have been presented with contradict it. Even if those feats exist and are brought up in the third response, if they had been worth discussing they would have been presented by now in the debate.

Team Gonna Kiss Hyrule Straight On The Mouth

Terminator

The Terminator is criticized for being slow and brutish. While the Terminator is not particularly faster than an athletic human man, he compensates for it in other ways. He does not feel pain, meaning that he won't lose time recovering from being injured. He has a super computer for a brain thatis fantastic at calculations and helps him act more efficiently. He has a minigun that fires 6,000 rounds a minute. He has fantastic durability, massive damage output, targets weak spots and is hyper accurate. Does he make less overall actions per second? Probably- but they are the right actions.

If you think that Terminator is susceptible to being worn down due to his speed, you can see how someone like Moon Knight or Dracula, who also have little evidencing their speed and lack Terminators overwhelming durability, would be incapacitated even faster.

There are some specific ways mentioned that Hobo-Man's team might deal with Terminators overwhelming durability, but neither is particularly applicable.

• Tackling Terminator off the stage doesn't work. This would require your team to engage in some kind of grapple. Terminator has massive lifting strength, experience with restraining and crushing enemies, and is essentially a moving wrecking ball. Someone like Moon Knight, of no lifting feats or grapple experience, trying to throw or tackle him over the side of the ship, would just end with that MK breaking his own shoulder or having his neck snapped.
• Hacking the Terminator also doesn't work. Even if this feat were admissable,it isn't something Peter tries until he has already virtually lost this fight. Spider-Man, for all the technologically based opponents he has fought, has never opened a fight with "I will immediately hack them"- and there's even less reason he would here, with Terminator in no way appearing hackable and KAREN having no feats to suggest she would think otherwise.
  • This is ultimately a matter for the judges, but traditionally even if you've stipulated the Iron Spider suit, the Iron Spider suit feat you're using is not present in the movie you're running Spider-Man from. Whether the feat is for Spider-Man himself or his gear isn't relevant, it comes from outside your stipulated version of the character.
• The feat of Terminator being launched backwards by the TX is, again, a false equivalency. The TX is superior in strength to every single member of your team, making massive holes in thick concrete using Terminators body, and launching his several ton form multiple meters with blows. Even in this scan, Terminator is not launched far enough to be removed from the Helicopter.

And most importantly, all of those above things require your team to first enter melee range, which they cannot do against my team. Distance=time- the less distance you have between Terminators minigun and yourself, the less time you have to dodge his aim, something 2/3rds of your team will not try to do in character.

Zuko

Zuko's durability is challenged with a few different antifeats, most of which don't stick.

• These two feats both feature Azula blasting Zuko- but Azula is literally just strong. She regularly blasts apart stone, walls, slices corners off buildings apart, etc. Your heaviest hitter, Spider-Man, is below this.
• All three feats come from early in the series, seasons 1-2. Zuko improves manyfold over the course of ATLA, going from losing terribly to Azula in their first fight to being her superior by the end of it.Something like "this surprise attack incapped Zuko in season 1" is barely applicable to a superior Zuko from the end of series.
• All the feats i've shown for Zuko's durability are applicable. I don't know why "Zuko doesn't have his armor here" is relevant, Zuko didn't have his armor in any of the durability feats i've used for him. Zuko's durability isn't tied to his armor, it's tied to him being durable.

Even if Zuko's durability were as poor as suggested- the fact that Zuko can generate multiple attacks per second,reacts to various projectiles even from close distances, and can land attacks on people faster than your team is evidence enough that vs. your team, they will not have the opportunity to attack him until he has had multiple opportunities to attack them, and even a single attack is enough to incapacitate anyone it lands on. Every single member of your team has literally zero margin for error, they have to perfectly avoid every blast Zuko can throw.

Pointing out that Zuko struggles to tag Aang (even though he frequently does) is a misdirection. Not a single person on your team can move in the way Aang does, nor in the way Zuko does here. Spider-Man does not move this fast, even if he is ~ agile ~, let alone MK and Dracula.

Bucky

Bucky isn't really discussed much here, but just to reiterate-

• Bucky catchesand blocks projectiles thrown by superhumans even from close distance consistently. This shows that for every blow his oponent can throw, it won't come until after Bucky has had the chance to throw his own.
• Bucky can bash through a metal post and he takes blows from parties that can destroy more concrete, while still continuining to fight. This is compounded by the presence of a shield that is a strong tool for both offense and defense.
• In the same vein of Terminator, he can overpower Steve Rogers two arms with his one arm, with Steve doing this shit immediately afterward, and he is highly skilled and experienced in combat, making throwing him from the stage unlikely at best.

And on top of this, he starts by firing a rifle that will violently blow apart whatever flesh it lands on.

[u/feminist-horsebane → u/feminist-horsebane]

Team HoboMan

Dracula

This character contributes nothing here.

• Dracula lacks a single feat suggesting he can transform or get to cover before my team has riddled him.
• His singular feat against gunfire shows it piercing him, and it is in his Wolf form, a form distinct from how he starts. Taking this attack means nothing. Musket balls weigh more, but they have far less piercing/penetrative power due to not being tipped. Even if a singular musket ball does more damage than a single 5.56 or 7.62, Bucky or Terminator isn't firing just one round. They're firing guns that can shoot hundreds to thousands of rounds a minute. This is sufficient to literally chew apart Dracula's flesh in the way a single bullet would not.
• The idea that Dracula can only be incapacitated by cutting off his head/staking his heart is nonsensical. Dracula has never been shown to retain consciousness after being punched by a superhuman. Dracula has never been shown to survive incineration. Dracula cannot withstand force that destroys massive amounts of stone. And being filled with bullets is just as likely to destroy his head or heart as a stake is, if not more so due to the difference in destructive power. If this were actually the case, Captain America wouldn't be able to incapacitate Dracule either, since he lacks a piercing weapon with his shield having "the logic of a punch."

Dracula does not have time to seek cover. Dracula does not have time to turn into a shadow. Dracula taking twenty seconds to conjure a storm would be sufficient for Terminator or Bucky to mag-dump him, reload, and mag dump him again several times over. And even if he didn't have these problems, his course of action being either "punch with wood busting force" or "generate a storm that provides some unquantifiable nerf to Zuko" would still add nothing to his team.

Moon Knight

The only mechanism provided for MK to survive the opening moments of the fight is his regeneration, which simply isn't enough. There's nothin to suggest Moon Knight can regenerate from having his head blown off, or having his limbs chewed apart by automatic fire, or having his body incinerated. These are attacks too taxing for regeneration to keep up with.

• You try to scale his feats of being stabbed with spears to say he can resist 7.62 fire. I have no idea how these are supposed to scale to each other, first of all. Second, this scan literally just shows how incapacitating this piercing is to him. Moon Knight is pinned down by several stab wounds from men with generic weapons. He likely would have died here if his GF didn't save him, before getting shot herself, distracting his captors long enough for him to free himself.
• If it takes "significantly more damage" than he takes here to incapacitate him, I would say that being sprayed with automatic fire, incinerated, and blasted with massive stone busting force would quantify as signicantly more damage.
• The "energy resistance" feat you post in no way translates to resisting Zuko. There is no reference for heat anywhere in this feat, Harrow destroys some vague amount of stone on a pillar, causing the pillar to collapse. Zuko's feat of busting a large quantity of stone with force left over is far clearer. Even if this did scale, the fact that MK cannot achieve anything of note while being blasted this way before going down just shows how helpless he is against Zuko.

It's pointed out that I used the wrong antifeats for MK- but I didn't post antifeats. I posted what are the characters high ends. This striking feat is the best striking feat in the respect thread, with the Marc person's best one being wildly worse, destroying a sink and chipping drywall.The suit is more a matter of aesthetics than any type of actual increase in physicals, the main difference being that Marc's Moon Knight is just better at fighting than Steven's is.

Spider-Man

The fact that Moon Knight and Dracula are both capable of contributing very little to the fight leaves Spider-Man in the position of essentially needing to solo- something that he absolutely cannot do. This character is probably the most discussed in this round, and while there are things he theoretically could do to damage my team, he cannot be everywhere and do everything he needs to do at once.

• I pointed out the aim that Spider-Man aim dodges- aim dodges, not bullet dodges- is from robots with no feats that are clearly missing the vast majority of these shots, whereas Bucky, Terminator, and Zuko are all extremely accurate. The only response was that these drones also have miniguns. That's nice, but it's not the part that matters. They don't spray wide areas, they don't take evasive measures, they just generate a random quick time event that Spider-Man passes.
• A later, more mature, and more developed Spider-Man struggles to dodge projectiles with a large surface area when they are launched at a rate of fire ludicrously slower than my team puts out. Something like this from Zuko would leave him nowhere to dodge.
• Spider-Man has the best chance of making it to melee range- but as his teammates don't have that chance, he would arrive to a fight where he is out numbered, out gunned, and out experienced.
• Spider-Man can't cross distance as quickly here as he normally could. There's very little to web swing from on top of the helicarrier, and if Spidey can't web swing, he's stuck running at a much lower speed.

With it being unlikely Spider-Man can cross the distance, you have to look at his durability, which is just consistently low across the board.

• You can't scale Spider-Man's suit to anything of Tony's. Tony's suits barely scale to each other. The Iron Man 1 suit takes tank fire, but the Iron Man 3 suit is blow apart by a truck.The Avengers 1 suit can take blows from Thor, but Thor incaps the Avengers 4 with a single hammer throw. The Age of Ultron suit beats down Ultron in a fight, but Captain America, someone who has no chance against Ultron in a fight, fucks all over the Civil War suit. These suits are just as strong as they need to be in a given film, there certainly isn't any overarching "Stark technology" scaling you can pull to give Spidey heat resistance.
• He can't take bullets. You can call the suit "highly armored", but it is clearly less thick and less durable than a quarter inch of solid steel like my team can shoot through.
• And his blunt durability is just all over the place. Pointing out that this 50ft fall makes him cough isn't dishonest to the scene, it is the scene. Blows below what my team puts out consistently stun Spider-Man- in this scene for instance, Zuko/Bucky/Terminator would just continue hitting, and there wouldn't be much to be done about it.
• The train feat is an antifeat. This train is likely going at like 35mph, and the massive surface area the front of a train has makes them absolutely terrible at dispersing force against a human sized target. Being hit by a train and carried somewhere else isn't really a feat- and he isn't even really conscious in it, Spider-Man is literally just adhesive and sticks to things. And the two stone cracking blows he takes from Thanos here both leave him reeling and unable to counter attack.

Spider-Man can't web people up, Zuko will just shoot his webs down with his superior ranged combat. Spider-Man can't punch people out,because his striking is pitiful.He can't hack, he can't throw, he certainly cannot solo my team. While the strongest part of your team, he can't pull enough weight to pull a win here.

Conclusion

• Team GKHSOTL generates multiple win conditions with too much force at all ranges for my opponent to handle.
• Their stats are clearly defined and clearly enough to pull win conditions.
• Being able to press multiple checks on the opponent inside of half a second in the round is makes melee unlikely, and melee would still end with my teams win.

I do want to say that I had a blast with this debate, and I hope hoboman did too. Good luck!

[u/Hobo-man → u/feminist-horsebane]

FINAL RESPONSE

POINTS COVERED

• Win condition for Team GKHSOTL is death or incap of my entire team

• Win condition for my team is removal of Team GKHSOTL from the battle field.

• Feminist-Horsebane has argued that their strength lies in their ranged attacks and states that their win condition is "overwhelming my team with firepower"

• No counter-argument has been provided for how his ranged attacks handle a battlefield with decent cover. Cover very obviously influences the effectiveness of projectile and ranged based weaponry, the primary source of power for Team GKHSOTL.

Even if those feats exist and are brought up in the third response, if they had been worth discussing they would have been presented by now in the debate.

Nowhere is it stipulated that information takes priority due to when it was acknowledged. I do not agree with this sentiment, and it is counterproductive to the nature of these battles. An argument does not take priority over a counter-argument, they should be weighed equally. Even so, all of these feats were available in the linked respect threads.

COUNTER ARGUEMENTS/CORRECTIONS

The lack of discussion of cover is detrimental to Team GKHSOTL.

Bucky does not handle cover well, he was surprise attacked by a normal human, even being disarmed in the process. Due to cover it takes Bucky a few seconds to line up a shot that ends up being non lethal. All of my team members are above standard human speed.

Overall, Bucky is not Hawkeye, he misses and frequently, against standard humans as well

Captain America is eventually able to close the distance and engage in hand to hand as well showing the possibility.

Tackling Terminator off the stage doesn't work. This would require your team to engage in some kind of grapple. Terminator has massive lifting strength, experience with restraining and crushing enemies, and is essentially a moving wrecking ball. Someone like Moon Knight, of no lifting feats or grapple experience, trying to throw or tackle him over the side of the ship, would just end with that MK breaking his own shoulder or having his neck snapped.

This claim that the T-800 would easily over power Moon Knight is not accurate. Mk quickly recovers after being tackled by and overpowers a monster strong enough to heavily warp a metal door. This metal door feat resembles the level of strength seen in a T-800.

Marc person's best one being wildly worse, destroying a sink and chipping drywall.

It's stated that Marc as Moon Knight only has one significant strength feat, but this feat is misinterpreted by Feminist-Horsebane.

I would like to know what kind of drywall is able to shatter a ceramic sink

Also, Moon Knight most definitely has grapple experience.

While I'm at it, I'd like to note that the terminator frequently walks through oncoming attacks. And average humans are able to lay hands on him before he responds/counter attacks. There is no reason to believe he would react faster in this situation. Most fights between terminators divulge into grappling/wrestling matches. Terminators have no form when it comes to hand on hand combat.

Moon Knight clearly is an experienced fighter with form.

It's been argued that Dracula and Moon Knight possess no speed feats.

Moon Knight has feats. He's definitely above normal human by a good bit.

Dracula has incredible speed as well. It does not take him 20 seconds to disappear. There would be no logical reason for him to be in a position to take several shots at the start of the match. Even if you argue that he needs time to dematerialize, his sheer speed will put him behind cover in literal moments.

The feat of Terminator being launched backwards by the TX is, again, a false equivalency. The TX is superior in strength to every single member of your team, making massive holes in thick concrete using Terminators body, and launching his several ton form multiple meters with blows. Even in this scan, Terminator is not launched far enough to be removed from the Helicopter.

I've already listed why I believe Moon Knight is a sufficient match here, but I will also note strength feats that Spiderman has accomplished.

Pulls a super soldier off his feet while simultaneously delivering a solid strike. This relates well to the super soldier on the other team. I can't find the link right now, but it was a major moment in Civil War when Spiderman nonchalantly caught a punch thrown by Bucky.

Stopped a 3 thousand pound vehicle moving 40 mph

Dead stops a blow from Obsidian Cull

Catches an falling airport loading bridge weighing approximately 30 tons. Massive strength feats that put him on par or even above any of your members.

And most importantly, all of those above things require your team to first enter melee range, which they cannot do against my team. Distance=time- the less distance you have between Terminators minigun and yourself, the less time you have to dodge his aim, something 2/3rds of your team will not try to do in character.

I've already detailed the speed and durability of my team. Spiderman has a specifically comparable feat dodging bullets fired from a similar or the same gun as the the Terminators best gun as well as dodging attacks aimed via artificial intelligence.

Feminist-Horsebane has not adequately acknowledged how the cover provided by the battlefield will affect their best strength. My team will not approach a ranged/projectile based team head on without any protection. My team will utilize their speed, durability, and the cover provided by the battlefield to approach effectively.

Hacking the Terminator also doesn't work. Even if this feat were admissable,it isn't something Peter tries until he has already virtually lost this fight. Spider-Man, for all the technologically based opponents he has fought, has never opened a fight with "I will immediately hack them"- and there's even less reason he would here, with Terminator in no way appearing hackable and KAREN having no feats to suggest she would think otherwise. This is ultimately a matter for the judges, but traditionally even if you've stipulated the Iron Spider suit, the Iron Spider suit feat you're using is not present in the movie you're running Spider-Man from. Whether the feat is for Spider-Man himself or his gear isn't relevant, it comes from outside your stipulated version of the character.

I will concur that this should ultimately come down to judges decision. I will however like to add, that Spiderman has hacked before.

He hacked his way out of a Stark Facility with only a notebook and a calculator.

Peter and his friend Ned also hacked the Stark Upgrade suit given to Peter by Tony Stark

And the integrated AI constantly gives readouts, status updates, and warnings to Peter. I could legitimately see the AI picking up on the non living cyborg/machine actively trying to kill Peter. I'd also like to reiterate that only a small amount of damage is needed to remove the skin/flesh covering the endoskeleton.

And if the hacking/detection feat is not allowed, Dracula also has heightened senses. The Terminators lack of a circulatory system would make him noticeable.

THE HOT TOPIC(ZUKO)

Not a single person on your team can move in the way Aang does

What?

Like, literally, what are you talking about?

I'd also like to add that Zuko is not bullet proof, nor does he even have experience with guns and firearms. If team GKHSOTM is firing live ammunition at my team, Moon Knight is returning the same bullets back at them. There is great possibility that a Zuko gets caught by a bullet. This issue gets compounded by acknowledging that Moon Knight throws dozens of bullets at a time, so Zuko would have to dodge multiple projectiles faster than he's ever dealt with.

Also Spiderman does have experience with evading fire based enemies.

And with the Iron Spider suit I've already argued that I believe it should have comparable resistance to the Nano Iron Man suit that the Iron Spider was modeled after. They share the same technology and were produced by the same person (assumingly with the same manufacturing abilities). Without this, Spiderman has no feats of a fire attacks landing on him. There is no other frame of reference for the fire resistances Spiderman may or may not have.

[u/Hobo-man → u/Hobo-man]

THE VAN HELSING METHOD

The idea that Dracula can only be incapacitated by cutting off his head/staking his heart is nonsensical. Dracula has never been shown to retain consciousness after being punched by a superhuman. Dracula has never been shown to survive incineration. Dracula cannot withstand force that destroys massive amounts of stone. And being filled with bullets is just as likely to destroy his head or heart as a stake is, if not more so due to the difference in destructive power. If this were actually the case, Captain America wouldn't be able to incapacitate Dracule either, since he lacks a piercing weapon with his shield having "the logic of a punch."

In the same vain there is no reference for Dracula falling to blunt force, bullet damage, or fire. Within the movie of Bram Stoker's Dracula, Vampires are only ever killed by specifically having a stake driven through the heart and/or by decapitation. This is specified by Professor Van Helsing.

I see Captain America being able to decapitate Dracula in a 1v1. It would look identical to how Cap "threatened" to kill Iron Man at the end of Civil War before ultimately just destroying his arc reactor.

Also, Dracula has marginal control over fire. This combined with his other environmental abilities make him problematic for Zuko.

The constant threat of projectiles; webs, crescent blades, and bullets could overwhelm Zuko who is unarmored.

HOLES IN THE BODY

You try to scale his feats of being stabbed with spears to say he can resist 7.62 fire. I have no idea how these are supposed to scale to each other, first of all. Second, this scan literally just shows how incapacitating this piercing is to him. Moon Knight is pinned down by several stab wounds from men with generic weapons. He likely would have died here if his GF didn't save him, before getting shot herself, distracting his captors long enough for him to free himself.

This is an inaccurate description of the events displayed.

Moon Knight is stabbed 7 times simultaneously and is still resisting. His love interested does not distract his enemies. She is knocked down, which motivates Moon Knight to then break out of being pinned down under his own power.

If it takes "significantly more damage" than he takes here to incapacitate him(Moon Knight), I would say that being sprayed with automatic fire, incinerated, and blasted with massive stone busting force would quantify as signicantly more damage.

Does this mean that all 3 of your team members are ignoring Dracula and Spiderman? You can't focus a single member without ignoring the other 2 members of my team. Constant fire is the only thing preventing my team from blitzing. Not shooting at my 2/3rds team is a good way to get blitzed.

Spiderrific

Pointing out that this 50ft fall makes him cough isn't dishonest to the scene, it is the scene.

Feminist-Horsebane initially described this scene as "made to cough up his lungs from a 50ft fall onto a hollow metal railing." This inaccurately describes the state of Peter Parker after the feat, and also overplays the severity of damage done. Spiderman gets struck, flies into a bridge, falls 50 ft and he was back to fighting mere moments later..

The train feat is an antifeat. This train is likely going at like 35mph, and the massive surface area the front of a train has makes them absolutely terrible at dispersing force against a human sized target. Being hit by a train and carried somewhere else isn't really a feat- and he isn't even really conscious in it, Spider-Man is literally just adhesive and sticks to things.

Spiderman must be conscious to hold onto things. I don't know where this description comes from but it does not seem accurate. The train definitely appears to be moving significantly faster than 35 mph. I can't specify the type, but the train in the scene is definitely a type of bullet train. Bullet trains are the most common type of passenger train in Europe, where the film takes place. Bullet train average speed is between 200 and 275 mph. This is a factor of 7 times faster than the speed stated by Feminist-Horsebane. This is an incredible feat that shows just how durable Spidey is.

While on the topic of Spiderman, let's address more utility provided to him by his suit.

Has auto targeting web rockets

Has a internal environment allowing Peter to breathe in the vacuum of space.

Additional limbs that help in hand to hand combat.

And has killmode, which makes approaching him a nightmare.

Zuko and Bucky are both flesh that can be impaled. The Iron Spider limbs can stab into stone. Bucky's shield helps him here, but Zuko has little to no defensive capabilities.

Spiderman has access to electric webbing.

An electric shock can and will temporarily disable Bucky's mechanical arm.

THE ENDGAME (SORRY I HAD TO)

The win condition for my team is still far easier to achieve than team GKHSOTM's.

Durability for characters on the other team are completely negated by my win condition.

It does not matter how much punishment the T-800 takes, if he falls from the Helicarrier, he's out.

It is rather easy to land strikes on the T-800 too.

Bucky isn't as hyper-lethal as has been described. He frequently tangles with normal humans and it isn't the blow out it should be. Black Widow consistently lands blows on him going as far as to temporarily disable his arm and disarm his rifle from him.

Zuko is the least durable of the bunch. He has no armor. His feats suggest slightly above normal durability but antifeats muddy that. Zuko also gets frequently tagged by standard humans such as Mei, Ty Lee, Sokka, and Suki. He repeatedly has trouble with the light and agile Aang who moves very similarly to Spiderman.

Feminist-Horsebane has repeatedly argued that my team cannot close the difference.

All feats point the other way. Durability, Speed, Agility, and the cover given by the battlefield negate this. Further utility from my team reduces firepower as the battle progresses.

Bucky's arm can become disabled, and he can be approached and disarmed.

The Terminator's minigun will become useless shortly into the battle either being jammed with crescent blades, or jammed up on spider webs. His slow movement and lack of fighting form means he can be easily removed. He is easily struck, and if he is anywhere near an edge, that strike can terminate him.

Zuko does not have a feat of him flying. If he is removed from the battle he is also out. Zuko is the easiest of the group to be knocked off his feet. His inexperience with guns makes him specifically weak to Moon Knight returning bullets. Zuko dodging slow moving boulders does not translate to high velocity projectiles.

Dracula can and will change the weather to weaken Zuko as well. He will overcast the sky and make it rain.

It has not been mentioned, but for the sake of finality, Dracula can also bite humans. It's questionable if a bite would convert Bucky, but Zuko has standard human physicality. If Zuko is bitten, he will lose himself and turn on his team. He will also be given the ability to fly as well as other vampiric buffs. There is a small chance that this even happens, but there is still a chance.

In order for team GKHSOTM to win, they must land numerous devastating blows in the opening seconds of the battle. The battlefield has pre existing cover and feats from my team imply they would survive through this. As the battle progresses my team will gain more and more advantages. These advantages combined with the relatively easy win condition means my team will come out on top

[u/Hobo-man → u/Hobo-man]

Good luck /u/feminist-horsebane, I've enjoyed our debate. May the best team win!