r/whowouldwin • u/IAmNotAChinaboo • Oct 11 '22
Event Captier America Round 2
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What To Do Now:
- Discuss with your opponent who will post first.
- After your initial response (or your opponents) is posted, alternate posting responses until the end of the round, or until you have both posted 3 times. If debater A posted a response first, Debater B would post next, followed by A, followed by B. Take turns, not that complicated. All responses must be no more than 25K characters
Other Information
- If you believe your opponent has argued their character as out of tier, post an OOT request no longer than 10K characters alongside your response (this does not count out of your total characters and is evaluated separately from the match itself, not an admission of loss). Your opponent receives a single chance of equal character count to defend their in tier status.
- Other questions can be submitted to the judges via reddit or discord.
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Matchups will be Character 1 vs Character A, Character 2 vs Character B, and 3 vs C, i.e Terminator vs Celtic, or Jason vs Raizo
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u/corvette1710 Oct 15 '22
Response 2
most of these rebuttals are literally just asking why verlux is saying things that are demonstrably false, for which i already linked the scans that prove as much, and which can be shown false just by looking at those scans with no other explication on my part. why are you choosing these hills to die on when all you have to counter them is a "dude trust me" and a hollow attempt at rhetorical flourish while you restate the exact same thing you said in response 1 but with more emphasis and handwaving
i wanted to call you a retard a bunch of times for the dogshit in your responses but i'm only going to do it this once and i'm going to delete every fuck that was not put in for purely comedic effect.
Raizo vs Jason
A quick recap of my points:
Rebuttals
Raizo goes in the carrier.
That's the logical extension of the gameplan of "make the place you're fighting dark" unless Raizo can turn off the sun. There is no incentive for Raizo to stay outside, and his gameplan is harder to enact outside.
Going into the carrier and making it dark doesn't advantage Jason because Raizo is better at fighting in the dark than Jason:
The very first thing ninjas do is turn out the lights. Then they eviscerate their targets, including special forces squads, by exploiting the advantage this creates.
Raizo kills a skilled opponent without getting hit in a dark room.
Jason is slow and sucks at fighting
There is a massive disparity of functional combat speed between Raizo and Jason. Any or all of the following demonstrate what I mean in full.
Jason is slower than frozen mo-fuckin'-lasses, and this is obviously true based on every combat interaction in every piece of media he has ever been in, and by randos and teenagers, no less.
Jason against armed opponents, you say?
Every feat verlux posits as a "blitz" is nothing of the sort, he's just lying. I know this to be true because I can read. He could just say "guys with guns can't kill him and all die trying", but he knows the real reason has nothing to do with blitzing, it's "that's because Jason is made of regenerating silly putty and has a machete".
Meanwhile, Raizo is consistently dismembering groups of skilled combatants while acrobatically dodging incoming attacks, both melee and ranged. These opponents make mincemeat out of spec ops teams.
Literally nothing about the canister feat was misrepresented: As Jason walks closer to the projectiles' source he becomes unable to dodge them despite clear action and intent to do so beforehand. Ask yourself the question of why he isn't horrorporting here if he is so consistent with it and so good at fighting.
Jason's horrorportation also wouldn't let him land hits on Raizo like Shadowstep lets Ozunu for a bunch of reasons:
To expand, verlux lied about this, too. I did address the consistency of horrorportation in my response 1, but I was willing to allow that it existed because it made the fight more interesting, so I didn't go hard on it. The fact is that it exists in one movie (Friday 8) and some comics. In none of the other movies does he have it in any fashion. Make of this what you will: in the 4 other movies that have Zombie Jason (5-7, 9), he does not horrorport once in or out of combat. If he did, they'd be in the RT; they are not. I don't care if he has it or not, it means nothing to his matchup with Raizo except that maybe he dies faster because he engages Raizo sooner.
Raizo is skilled
A blue belt would also thrash an amateur, and they'd thrash that amateur harder than they'd thrash a brown belt, so that point is dog. Jason is the amateur in this fight, btw.
bruh are you joking? are you pulling my leg? you can literally see him actively not using martial arts to any effect even in his fucking dream realm, which is not where he was fighting jason. look at how he is fighting dawg
All the ninjas Raizo fights are those he trained alongside his entire life or those who came after, and they have in fact been training longer than him at that point because Raizo left the clan after his first mission when he was a teenager. Raizo is just built different (he is really good at fighting).
The ninjas are generally coordinating their attacks, the problem is that Raizo's fighting style doesn't leave many openings to approach. When he's using the kusarigama there is literally a blade that dismembers people whirling around him at all times and when he's using the sword he is constantly shifting his orientation in combat, so his back is not consistently turned to any one party. The openings do not actually exist for them to attack him because they can't get in fast enough and his target changes constantly. Not to mention you didn't link shit for this.
Raizo does not need to anticipate one single thing about Jason because the attacks do not appear faster than Raizo detects Jason and chooses to engage or disengage.
Shadowstep works
Cool, none of what verlux said here matters. You could reread my response 1 on this section and nothing would change because he said nothing new.
Regen
It's technically true that that's Deadite Jason but literally everything else I said still applies and went totally unaddressed, so per verlux I'll count it as ceded. Raizo cuts him apart, Jason does not have one feat indicating he is any harder to cut through than the silly putty he's 100% made of and a shitload of feats to say he's a rotting corpse. For a ninja who cuts through whoever he wants, Jason will be no obstacle.
No feats for regenerating from beheading, no feats for regenerating from actual dismemberment, several feats indicating bad timeframes for what regeneration he does have, and a specific note in the RT that spinal injury fucks him up.
Blunt
I said in my response that Raizo would be hurt if Jason hit him. That isn't a nonresponse and that doesn't mean Raizo would die in one hit. He wouldn't. It is just me acknowledging the reality that Jason is physically strong in comparison to Raizo. He is. Congrats.
Conclusion
All he did was repeat himself with no other supplementation to counter the claims I made in my response 1. Nothing has changed: "Jason is disadvantaged in every way except raw strength, and that is totally useless when he is so disadvantaged in terms of setting the initiative of the fight, landing hits, and sustaining damage from Raizo's attack options."