Actually, they all got convicted for concealing evidence from the FBI involving communications with Russian agents and massive donations to pro-Russian leaders in Ukraine. Do you think the J6 committee was doing anything similar? Were they communicating with foreign nations to dig up evidence on political enemies?
No, they weren’t. That was Rudy Guliani who begged Ukraine for any and all dirt on the “Biden crime family”. I’m not sure what crimes you think they all did, but I’m all ears.
I’m sorry, Manafort wasn’t charged with lying about contact. He was indeed charged on tax fraud and witness tampering.
That’s cool, I agree. What happens when a political opponent is gung-ho about Facebook memes and prosecuting people for no other reason than “they’re mean to me”? If you were President, and there has been a campaign to smear your entire family for “Burisma” (that the original whistleblower said he lied about), would you not do the same?
We started this by saying “he’s just joking”, but he is literally reposting “truths” from @IHateTheDemocratParty and using all of these talking points in his speeches and executive orders. When is he not joking?
You claimed that Trump is just "joking" when he tweets. I paste a Trump tweet where he's talking about elections, something he very much believes are rigged and is threatening to get rid of mail-in ballots and voting machines because of said "election interference". We get into an argument over the validity of election interference, "Russia-gate" (which is why we were talking about pardons), and I think we both agree in the end that election interference is not a tide-turner in elections right now.
So why is the most powerful man in America, who has access to information from every major surveillance and investigative agency, still threatening to remove a valid and proven safe means of voting? I think it's because he is a megalomaniac, you think he's just trolling.
I don't like a president "joking" or "being sarcastic" about being a King. If you're fine with that, I don't know what to tell you.
Now, how would you feel about Trump deploying National Guard and the military to voting precincts across the United States? I think that's exactly where he's ramping to with the deployment in LA and DC right now (which he said he couldn't do for J6, I WILL keep stressing this). If he does that, what would you say about it then?
Also, you're still saying "hackable voting machines". I thought we agreed that election interference isn't really a thing?
Then we'll drop the king and I'll label him as a megalomaniac, does that make you feel better? It's called a hypothetical for a reason, and where did I defend it? I said Trump was a creep too, you brought up Biden being a creep first.
And when I say "election interference isn't really a thing", I'd figure you'd pick up on the fact that I'm saying it's negligible with that "really" there. I can't expect anything else when you give talking points that aren't even true lmao
Edit - Honestly, I don't want this chain to stop, I'm having fun now, I wanna poke at your beliefs on this administration. What do you think of J6?
I don’t think he wants to be crowned king, but he wants the power and respect that comes with being a king. I genuinely believe he likes the idea of unitary executive theory, where the president has sole control over the executive. It sounds okay in theory, but it puts the country down a scary road of hypotheticals. The Supreme Court just created new power designations when they ruled about “core and exclusive” powers for the president, and Jackson was made fun of for saying that if the president assigns Seal Team 6 to kill someone, how would we prosecute? Military control is an undeniably core and exclusive power, and the SC ruled that those can’t be investigated.
I agree that J6 was a protest turned riot, but I’m going to argue that Trump knew exactly what he was doing with sending people to the Capitol. John Eastman, one of Trump’s retainers, wrote two memos where he explained that Mike Pence could unilaterally call electorates invalid to push it to the House where Republicans had 26-24 state majority (there were other ideas too). Why do you think Trump tweeted “Mike Pence failed us” DURING the riot, rather than quelling them? And why do you think rioters were shouting “hang Mike Pence” after he had tweeted that?
He tweeted to “remain peaceful” at 3:13pm. There were riot warnings at the Capitol at 1:45pm. Pence was evacuated at 2:13pm. Trump tweets “Mike Pence failed us” at 2:24pm. And before Trump even sent the peaceful tweet, him and his lawyers were calling Senators to try to get them to object to the certification of the vote.
No, I don’t think he cared if it was peaceful or not, so long as the vote certification can be delayed so they could find ways to keep Trump as President.
Here’s a transcript for a voicemail from Rudy Guliani to Senator Tuberville DURING the riot:
“I’m calling you because I want to discuss with you how they’re trying to rush this hearing and how we need you, our Republican friends, to try to just slow it down so we can get these legislatures to get more information to you. I know they’re reconvening at 8 tonight, but it … the only strategy we can follow is to object to numerous states and raise issues so that we get ourselves into tomorrow – ideally until the end of tomorrow.”
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u/StormsOfMordor 20d ago
Actually, they all got convicted for concealing evidence from the FBI involving communications with Russian agents and massive donations to pro-Russian leaders in Ukraine. Do you think the J6 committee was doing anything similar? Were they communicating with foreign nations to dig up evidence on political enemies?
No, they weren’t. That was Rudy Guliani who begged Ukraine for any and all dirt on the “Biden crime family”. I’m not sure what crimes you think they all did, but I’m all ears.