I don’t think he wants to be crowned king, but he wants the power and respect that comes with being a king. I genuinely believe he likes the idea of unitary executive theory, where the president has sole control over the executive. It sounds okay in theory, but it puts the country down a scary road of hypotheticals. The Supreme Court just created new power designations when they ruled about “core and exclusive” powers for the president, and Jackson was made fun of for saying that if the president assigns Seal Team 6 to kill someone, how would we prosecute? Military control is an undeniably core and exclusive power, and the SC ruled that those can’t be investigated.
I agree that J6 was a protest turned riot, but I’m going to argue that Trump knew exactly what he was doing with sending people to the Capitol. John Eastman, one of Trump’s retainers, wrote two memos where he explained that Mike Pence could unilaterally call electorates invalid to push it to the House where Republicans had 26-24 state majority (there were other ideas too). Why do you think Trump tweeted “Mike Pence failed us” DURING the riot, rather than quelling them? And why do you think rioters were shouting “hang Mike Pence” after he had tweeted that?
He tweeted to “remain peaceful” at 3:13pm. There were riot warnings at the Capitol at 1:45pm. Pence was evacuated at 2:13pm. Trump tweets “Mike Pence failed us” at 2:24pm. And before Trump even sent the peaceful tweet, him and his lawyers were calling Senators to try to get them to object to the certification of the vote.
No, I don’t think he cared if it was peaceful or not, so long as the vote certification can be delayed so they could find ways to keep Trump as President.
Here’s a transcript for a voicemail from Rudy Guliani to Senator Tuberville DURING the riot:
“I’m calling you because I want to discuss with you how they’re trying to rush this hearing and how we need you, our Republican friends, to try to just slow it down so we can get these legislatures to get more information to you. I know they’re reconvening at 8 tonight, but it … the only strategy we can follow is to object to numerous states and raise issues so that we get ourselves into tomorrow – ideally until the end of tomorrow.”
Yeah, I remember that one, it happened at the beginning of his speech, I watched it. I guess it’s overridden by the fact that he barely did anything else to quell his own supporters for over 3 hours. If he wanted them to be peaceful, why was he tweeting that Mike Pence failed us, arguably an inflammatory statement for the rioters, rather than telling them to be peaceful?
He said to be peaceful twice, once before the riots, and once after Ashli Babbit had reportedly gotten shot. But DURING the riots, while Senators were being evacuated including his own VP, he was calling Senators to delay the certification of the vote. He did not give a fuck, he only changed his tune when it was obvious he wasn’t going to get his way.
Also, you changed your framing. You asked if I knew Trump tweeted to remain peaceful. He tweeted that once 3 hours after they had started rioting. Then you tell me he said it during his speech, which he did. But what was he doing in those 3 hours? It’s where we got the report that he was drinking Diet Coke and watching it all unfold on the news. He knew what was happening, and he was for it.
I never said he didn't. I'm saying that even with that, all of the evidence of what him and his team were doing behind the scenes far outweighs two statements of "peace". I don't know why you're trying to harp so much on that statement and not the voicemails to delay the certification DURING the riots.
I didn't bring up the peaceful discussion because I genuinely believe it does not matter with the entire context of what was happening. I'm not retarded, I won't deny that he had two peaceful statements because he did.
He said to "peacefully and patriotically" march down Pennsylvania Avenue at about 12:15pm. His speech ended at 1:10pm. Riots were happening at 1:45pm in the Capitol. Pence is evacuated at 2:13pm from the Senate floor. Then Trump tweets "Mike Pence failed us" at 2:24pm while he is being evacuated elsewhere. Trump is calling Senators to delay the vote at 2:26pm (two minutes after Pence was placed in a secure location, I'm sure the President is aware of his VP's situation). It's not until 3:13pm that he tweets to remain peaceful.
I'm sorry, even though he said to remain peaceful twice, his other rhetoric and actions/inaction to stop them during the riot speak much louder. The Eastman Memos, the phone calls to Senators to delay, and all of the lies he was still trying to propagate then and still does now.
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u/StormsOfMordor 20d ago
I don’t think he wants to be crowned king, but he wants the power and respect that comes with being a king. I genuinely believe he likes the idea of unitary executive theory, where the president has sole control over the executive. It sounds okay in theory, but it puts the country down a scary road of hypotheticals. The Supreme Court just created new power designations when they ruled about “core and exclusive” powers for the president, and Jackson was made fun of for saying that if the president assigns Seal Team 6 to kill someone, how would we prosecute? Military control is an undeniably core and exclusive power, and the SC ruled that those can’t be investigated.
I agree that J6 was a protest turned riot, but I’m going to argue that Trump knew exactly what he was doing with sending people to the Capitol. John Eastman, one of Trump’s retainers, wrote two memos where he explained that Mike Pence could unilaterally call electorates invalid to push it to the House where Republicans had 26-24 state majority (there were other ideas too). Why do you think Trump tweeted “Mike Pence failed us” DURING the riot, rather than quelling them? And why do you think rioters were shouting “hang Mike Pence” after he had tweeted that?